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posted June 30, 2008 06:41 PM
doh the 08 flies open up sooner, pull them and recheck
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posted June 30, 2008 08:30 PM
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doh the 08 flies open up sooner, pull them and recheck
Agreed, the 06-07 flies reportedly open at around 6-7k, and the 08's around 3-4k.
My questions is how does removing something that restricted HP at that low in the curve increase max HP at RPM's way above the 'flies' range?
The bikes make the max HP numbers starting around 9400 rpm, by that time the flies would be wide open on all years.
Confusing ...
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posted June 30, 2008 08:54 PM
173/101tq 2006----90+ degrees, Hum>>?, 4000ft.
Brock Gen3, no flies.
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posted July 01, 2008 10:27 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 1 Jul 2008 11:30
kawabonzai its not that impossible. The secondary throttle plates could very well be helping to straighten the air out as it enters the throttle bodies thereby increasing velocity and affecting the swirl throught the runners and into the cylinders. They sell kits for cars that do just that, but most of them are bogus - but some have been proven to give a couple HP. BUT: thats the first post I've seen that claims a HP drop at high end. Could just be a fluke or weather variations or dyno settings...
EDIT: forgot my numbers, 4000 miles 92 octane pump gas and Two Brothers slip-ons at maybe 200' elev. = 173 hp and I forgot the torque. Came in third place at a local shops big bash BBQ where 50+ bikes got tested. And the two bikes ahead of me were 14's also. With alot of 1000's and 'Busa's behind me. 
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posted July 01, 2008 11:05 AM
wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock!  should be a monster with a pipE!!
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posted July 01, 2008 12:42 PM
I'll take a piece of that bulbous monster Fish! Make sure to bring it when we meet. lol
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posted July 01, 2008 01:50 PM
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wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock! should be a monster with a pipE!!
Those numbers wont look so good in my rear view mirror.
Post your dyno runs please.
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posted July 01, 2008 02:02 PM
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wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock! should be a monster with a pipE!!
It's definitely a monster alright....as in hideous! 
j/k...couldn't resist....
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posted July 01, 2008 04:54 PM
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wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock! should be a monster with a pipE!!
Those numbers wont look so good in my rear view mirror.
Post your dyno runs please.
waiting to get emailed to me and I dont have a scanner so these paper versions arent much good - but them's the numbers boys.. read 'em and weap!
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posted July 01, 2008 05:59 PM
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wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock! should be a monster with a pipE!!
Those numbers wont look so good in my rear view mirror.
Post your dyno runs please.
waiting to get emailed to me and I dont have a scanner so these paper versions arent much good - but them's the numbers boys.. read 'em and weap!
Fish anytime you feel froggy bring that Dyno Queen and i'll be happy to run you with my weak dyno numbers .... Bring a telescope , you will need it to read my tag ... lol...  ......
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posted July 01, 2008 06:33 PM
Ouch! 
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posted July 01, 2008 07:16 PM
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183 with flys out--brock smeg,pc, 175 with flys in
You must have the only ZX14 that gains MAX HP by removing the fly's... 
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posted July 01, 2008 07:20 PM
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We are seeing 158-159 for stock 2008's. Stock 06-07's are 164ish (not many stockers around). My 2008 was 159 bone stock and 174 with a M-10 Muzzy, PCIII , Dynojet map, flies in. Lost 2hp removing the flies so I put them back in. Just took off the Muzzy off and put on a Yoshimura TRC full system. I will dyno it next week. By the way, the stock 08's have a 6-10 hp gain over the sock 06-07's between 4,000 and 6,000 rpm even though the max hp is down.
That's only due to the fact that the 08 starts to open the flies at 3000 instead of 7000...
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posted July 01, 2008 07:23 PM
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Fish anytime you feel froggy bring that Dyno Queen and i'll be happy to run you with my weak dyno numbers .... Bring a telescope , you will need it to read my tag ... lol... ......
well.. since I'm not a drag racer and never claimed to be, perhaps I could take you up on your offer, but I'll call up one of my friends, say Brock, Ricky, Ryan or maybe Eddie and they could ride my bike for me against you ...
you're okay with that, right?
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posted July 01, 2008 07:32 PM
ZX14 will still win. No offense to them, but Lee weighs less and turns lower times than most (not all) of them. You'd still lose MOFO...LOL. Face it man -- that Busa's just a big fat ugly turd...:d
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posted July 01, 2008 07:39 PM
ya... right...
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posted July 01, 2008 07:43 PM
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Fish anytime you feel froggy bring that Dyno Queen and i'll be happy to run you with my weak dyno numbers .... Bring a telescope , you will need it to read my tag ... lol... ......
well.. since I'm not a drag racer and never claimed to be, perhaps I could take you up on your offer, but I'll call up one of my friends, say Brock, Ricky, Ryan or maybe Eddie and they could ride my bike for me against you ...
you're okay with that, right?
Yup it's ok with me ....
The way i see it i got nothing to lose.. Young Pro beats an old 52 year old guy, no big deal ... 52 year old non pro beats a young pro that might leave a mark .. ...Either way looks like a win win for me ...
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posted July 01, 2008 08:22 PM
my point exactly... all of this comes down to the rider.. why would I race someone who can dragrace when I know I couldnt drag race my way out of a paper bag...
regardless, and back to the topic of dyno numbers, for some reason the 08 busa seems to be way up while the 14's are down...
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posted July 01, 2008 08:36 PM
two words..........ram air.........it works................but not on a dyno.....why do you think 08 kaw is so rich on a dyno.........cause kawi is counting on their superior ram air induction to combine with the extra fuel to provide real world superior mojo..............remember the brock diaries they added lots of gas at the track to get the best performance after the dyno testing was done............
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posted July 01, 2008 09:41 PM
From what Ricky posted in psychobike, I was hoping to see better number from the 08 zx14. Regardless of what the busa puts up, I can't see me going out to buy one.
Know if someone wrecks one and sells for th low low and it turns out to be a good deal then maybe. But thats a once in a lifetime type of thing and it never happens to me.
Mean while, I'm hoping to whip some Busa Tail this weekend in LA. 06 14 vs. 08 Lusa if my friend ever puts on his pipe, lowering links, PCIII, extensions, etc. I think he's a little scared!!!!!!
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posted July 02, 2008 06:55 AM
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two words..........ram air.........it works................but not on a dyno.....why do you think 08 kaw is so rich on a dyno.........cause kawi is counting on their superior ram air induction to combine with the extra fuel to provide real world superior mojo..............remember the brock diaries they added lots of gas at the track to get the best performance after the dyno testing was done............
+1 The ram air system on the Busa is a very weak set up ...Just look at the very small intakes and where they placed them on a Busa ... Now look at the zx10 or zx14 , large intake placed right where it will do the most good at high speeds ... So lets say the Busa makes 10 more HP in the dyno but the zx14 makes 10 more going down the track .. That makes any drag race between a zx14 and Busa pretty much a wash with riders of the same weight and skills ...Mod for mod it's to close to call .... The Busa has an extra inch of wheel base over the zx14 but the zx14 has been proven to 60 foot better than the busa because of the user friendy clutch.. Point is dyno numbers mean nothing, track numbers tell the truth ... Remember we don't race dynos , we race bikes ...
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posted July 02, 2008 03:44 PM
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wow.. this is making our new busa sound like a real runner at 170.8/101.2tq bone stock! should be a monster with a pipE!!
The 06/07 14's average around 170 also...some higher, some lower, just like busa's  Its the 08's that are bringing the weak shit due to kawi not quite coming to grips with the new emmissions laws. Whats strange is the 08 14 and busa are still VERY close in performance even though on paper the busa seems to have a hp edge..........things that make you go hmmm...............
My 07 put out 173hp and 103tq stock. 183 and 106 with slips/filter/flies out/pcIII and igniton module
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