KawaBonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 01:00 PM
Muzzy's Truth in Advertising. (M14)
Yo!
I came online today after my final Dyno run only to find that whole other 'Truth' thread, what a fiasco. 
As many of you know, the speculation over the M14 started minutes after it was introduced. I especially paid attention to the "Tested at over 200hp" and made several posts regarding that point. I was worried if that was on the 1400+ motors or what.
Muzzy's assured us that the HP numbers on Stock and modified numbers would be where we wanted them. it was a tough choice for me; we had two great products to chose from Brocks and Muzzy's.
I decided to go with Muzzy's due to his decades of supporting the Kawasaki brand and it's riders.
Muzzy's customer service was excellent, Dave was prompt in his email replies and answered every question I tossed at him. He even sent me the M14 map to poke at before my purchase was made.
The order was placed on a Friday and the pipe was shipped on a Monday.
The packaging was great, I got to use my favorite Severtech knife to wreak havoc on the packing foam. 
Instructions were spot on, they even gave me some warnings on what to expect and watch out for. I got extra spacers/shims if needed, some anti-seize and plenty of heat shielding for the #4 pipe and also stuckies for the plastics.
The install went smoothly, not a single glitch. It felt like they used my bike for the fitting.
the M10 bolted up nicely and fitted to the M14 like a glove.
Today's Dyno run netted me 14+ hp gain over stock. From what I was reading on the net I was expecting 7 to 10 hp gain, I was extremely happy with 14+.
Here's the before/after dyno runs ....
I'm not an employee of Muzzy's, but I'm now just a simple happy customer. I've "been to bat" just once with Muzzy and I hit a homerun with their product. In light of that 'other' thread I'd like to point out that often times it's the 'exception' that make it on the net, not the norm.
I'm looking forward to dealing with Muzzy's in the future, and if I have any problems I'll give them a call and work it out with them. No worries here.
Peace ....
... Bonzai
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KawaBonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 01:02 PM
A Side note ... we all know it was the "Tank Bag" that added the HP eh?
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200hp_zx14
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posted June 26, 2008 01:50 PM
I don't know why anyone would complain about one exhaust or another. All bikes are different and all exhaust will produce different numbers. Even the same bike with the same exhaust on back to back runs.
I'm sure exhaust companies have an allowable 2-3hp variance in each exhaust. A little extra packing or a little less can change backpressure and change the output. Factor that with all bikes having that same 3-5hp variance and you can get a pretty big difference in numbers with the same type of bikes and exhausts.
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 02:22 PM
So ... my next question is how to get closer to the 200hp mark.
What setup/mods are you 200hp folks doing? Is it elevation, gas or something else?
I see sig's with mod's the same as mine claiming 200+ hp. /pout
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1badzx12r
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posted June 26, 2008 03:40 PM
 Edited By: 1badzx12r on 26 Jun 2008 16:41
quote:
So ... my next question is how to get closer to the 200hp mark.
What setup/mods are you 200hp folks doing? Is it elevation, gas or something else?
I see sig's with mod's the same as mine claiming 200+ hp. /pout
ain't gonna do 200 hp with them mods... ...ask olde muzzy were your 200hp is at
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1badzx12r
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posted June 26, 2008 03:44 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 26 Jun 2008 16:45
quote:
Yo!
I came online today after my final Dyno run only to find that whole other 'Truth' thread, what a fiasco.
As many of you know, the speculation over the M14 started minutes after it was introduced. I especially paid attention to the "Tested at over 200hp" and made several posts regarding that point. I was worried if that was on the 1400+ motors or what.
Muzzy's assured us that the HP numbers on Stock and modified numbers would be where we wanted them. it was a tough choice for me; we had two great products to chose from Brocks and Muzzy's.
I decided to go with Muzzy's due to his decades of supporting the Kawasaki brand and it's riders.
Muzzy's customer service was excellent, Dave was prompt in his email replies and answered every question I tossed at him. He even sent me the M14 map to poke at before my purchase was made.
The order was placed on a Friday and the pipe was shipped on a Monday.
The packaging was great, I got to use my favorite Severtech knife to wreak havoc on the packing foam.
Instructions were spot on, they even gave me some warnings on what to expect and watch out for. I got extra spacers/shims if needed, some anti-seize and plenty of heat shielding for the #4 pipe and also stuckies for the plastics.
The install went smoothly, not a single glitch. It felt like they used my bike for the fitting.
the M10 bolted up nicely and fitted to the M14 like a glove.
Today's Dyno run netted me 14+ hp gain over stock. From what I was reading on the net I was expecting 7 to 10 hp gain, I was extremely happy with 14+.
Here's the before/after dyno runs ....
I'm not an employee of Muzzy's, but I'm now just a simple happy customer. I've "been to bat" just once with Muzzy and I hit a homerun with their product. In light of that 'other' thread I'd like to point out that often times it's the 'exception' that make it on the net, not the norm.
I'm looking forward to dealing with Muzzy's in the future, and if I have any problems I'll give them a call and work it out with them. No worries here.
Peace ....
... Bonzai
why 1300 miles stock and 1475 miles with pipe...so you can count out 14 hp net ...
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smokinzx14
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posted June 26, 2008 03:49 PM
Convert From SAE to STD add MR9 and bang 200 hp ...Or close to it anyway .... 
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 04:42 PM
quote:
why 1300 miles stock and 1475 miles with pipe...so you can count out 14 hp net ...
It's just an indication of what the miles where ont he bike. Nothing more than that.
Also, no need to quote the whole darned post in a reply.
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 04:43 PM
quote:
Convert From SAE to STD add MR9 and bang 200 hp ...Or close to it anyway ....
Hmmm .. I gotta lookup what all this SAE and STD correction stuff is all about. Any pointers, or got a link that explains it?
... Bonzai
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shane661
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posted June 26, 2008 04:45 PM
quote:
Also, no need to quote the whole darned post in a reply.
That's the way he rolls, baby.
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 04:50 PM
Yo Shane!
Hey, I'm sorry you and I had totally different experiences with Muzzy, we are on the opposite sides of the coin on that one. It seems things like that only happen when you really really really need the part and inna hurry.
After the smoke has settled let me know how you like your M14.
... Bonzai
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 05:04 PM
Edited By: Kawabonzai on 26 Jun 2008 18:06
Yo!
Found an article on "Corrected HorsePower" ... clears things up a bit.
http://www.land-and-sea.com/dyno-tech-talk/corrected-horsepower.htm
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posted June 26, 2008 05:05 PM
Edited By: Wheelie on 26 Jun 2008 18:06
Muzzys truth in advertising? lol Kawabonzai your trying to hard.
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Kawabonzai
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posted June 26, 2008 05:07 PM
Trying to hard for what?
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200hp_zx14
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posted June 26, 2008 06:23 PM
quote:
So ... my next question is how to get closer to the 200hp mark.
What setup/mods are you 200hp folks doing? Is it elevation, gas or something else?
I see sig's with mod's the same as mine claiming 200+ hp. /pout
That's at the crank at sea level. Can anyone claim its BS??? Probably not because stock was somewhere around 195hp at the crank. I'm sure my full muzzy and PC3 gave me more than 5hp.
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bigdtd
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posted June 26, 2008 06:29 PM
someone drank the koolaid........
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zx14mike
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posted June 26, 2008 06:47 PM
LOL, at the PR campaign............LOL, i'm wondering if your on the payroll or this is probono work!!!!
BTW, great post Wheelie.......you nailed this one.
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Trying to hard for what?
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zx14mike
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posted June 26, 2008 06:49 PM
All i'm waiting for NOW is the Eddie Haskell kiss up routine.......you know the "gee Mrs Cleaver your hair looks exceptionally nice today and I really like your dress"...............LOL!
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brickman
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posted June 26, 2008 07:13 PM
this is just to funny. wow
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man00
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posted June 26, 2008 07:26 PM
Just who is this Muzzy guy..is it someone I need to know?
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1badzx12r
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posted June 26, 2008 07:41 PM
quote:
All i'm waiting for NOW is the Eddie Haskell kiss up routine.......you know the "gee Mrs Cleaver your hair looks exceptionally nice today and I really like your dress"...............LOL!
you leave Jane out of this ......
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stevewfl
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posted June 26, 2008 08:37 PM
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Muzzys truth in advertising? lol Kawabonzai your trying to hard.
wee
no challenging that statement, its too obvious.
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wheelie
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posted June 27, 2008 03:22 AM
As many of you know, the speculation over the M14 started minutes after it was introduced. I especially paid attention to the "Tested at over 200hp" and made several posts regarding that point. I was worried if that was on the 1400+ motors or what.
Kawabunzai, you were shorted 27 hp.
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lietoome
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posted June 27, 2008 04:59 AM
No doubt the muzzy pipe is good to go, but I was truely expecting something bigger. My '06 made the identical numbers on the same dyno with a brock Gen 3@ 4000ft. I doubt there is a more than two or three hp difference between my Gen3 and my SMEG conversion(Sheer speculation on my behalf...). So it seems to me that the Muzzy and the Brock are about the same...except Brock is a site contributer. 
Regardless, its apples to oranges without my stock run to compare it too, same day, temp, humudity, etc.
I'm guessing you like your M14....and thats all that counts.
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posted June 27, 2008 05:12 AM
beating this horse dead, dead....
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