freddie900
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zx 14 2007
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posted June 24, 2008 04:24 PM
flies out, no powercommander/87 octane
i've heard guys having no problems with flies out ,no pc. what do you guys think? i'm thinking of going to the track this week end to race a freind on his 08 zx-14. we are both stock, well at least i am. i have 07 zx-14.
  
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port_angeles_ninja
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posted June 24, 2008 04:28 PM
Here is a link to a write-up Brock did about TRE and flies out. Note the Air/Fuel ratios with both the TRE and with Flies Out without remapping.
http://www.brocksperformance.com/lowend.htm
That lean condition is not something i would put my engine through.
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FasterThanStink
Pro
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posted June 24, 2008 05:05 PM
Removing the flies increases air intake. Do you make power from air? No? Then you need to add fuel both to increase power and to avoid a dangerously lean condition at lower RPM's.
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Speed has never killed anyone,
suddenly becoming stationary...
That's what gets you.
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bigdtd
Needs a job
Interceptors
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posted June 24, 2008 05:28 PM
double digit fuel increase % at 3500 rpms
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freddie900
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zx 14 2007
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posted June 24, 2008 06:12 PM
soo the lean conditions are gone at 3500 rpms and higher?
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kaw now
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posted June 24, 2008 11:38 PM
Not so fast Freddie " soo the lean conditions are gone at 3500 rpms and higher?" I see the temptation not to spend the money on the powercommander. If you just want to drag race it won't be that big of a deal but on the street you end up using part throttle a lot. Looking at the map for sub throttles removed looks like like they said double digit fuel increases up to over 7 grand. Would it cause engine damage thats debatable. I however put the PC on the bike and through a screw up I want to blame someone else but no one was around so. What I'm trying to say is that I ran around for a day of so with a zero map no enrichment. Bike felt a little lurchy kind of rough. Much smoother afterward.
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Nelson Taylor
Zone Head
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posted June 25, 2008 06:34 AM
I raced and rode on the street for about 8 months with stock pipes, no power commander, and flies out. I had no problems and currently my motor is still running strong.
I will say that the motor puts out a ton of heat while riding on the street with that setup.
I even took some 2-3 hour highway rides out of town, and the bike ran fine. This isn't something I would suggest doing forever though.
Kaw now is correct in that with a map bike runs much smoother.
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4.03
6.02 @ 121mph
(Stock Wheelbase) 2006 ZX14
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