reward69
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posted June 22, 2008 06:15 AM
43 tooth rear
For those that already know (ignore) for those that dont, a 43 tooth rear wont fit with the stock chain on an 08'. This is even with a 16 front! I ordered a 43 rear because I wanted to go back to the stock 17 front due to noise, I figured I would try it with the 16/43 combo just to see what its like. (not happening) with the stock chain. I would guess its about 1 link too short for this.... So theres no way a 17/43 will fit without a new chain or extra link.
  
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kawasaki_rick
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posted June 22, 2008 07:28 AM
What u want for the 43? If your not gonna use it?
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zx14mike
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posted June 22, 2008 08:03 AM
How many miles do you have on the bike?, from what i've heard 16/43 will fit if you have 1000-1500 miles on the bike.
if your going to buy a new chain 17/44, 17/45 and 17/46 are all great ratios..........i'm partial to 17/45.
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posted June 22, 2008 11:27 AM
What's different on the '08 I thought a 43 fit the 06/07 just fine? If anyone knows for sure that the 43 tooth will not fit the 06/07 please let me know. I'm about to order a 43 for my 07.
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posted June 22, 2008 11:44 AM
Rick, you are soooo the vulture.......
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posted June 22, 2008 12:59 PM
 Edited By: Evilsports on 22 Jun 2008 14:00
I'm running 16/43 on my 08 fwiw. Vortex. 2500miles, stock chain. You gotta roll it on before you push the axle through.
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reward69
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posted June 22, 2008 01:04 PM
1900 miles, rolling on worked great until you tried to put the shaft back in. (ZERO) natta!! Cant tell you whats different but this combo will not work on my 08'. Must be saving money on links??
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kawasaki_rick
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posted June 22, 2008 02:08 PM
I was just asking.
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posted June 22, 2008 03:46 PM
$70 TYD, Hardcoated black, Vortex, only attempted mount never ran.
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posted June 22, 2008 04:42 PM
Why would you wanna change out your sprockets and not your chain anyway? All your gonna do is wear out the sprockets prematurely anyway if you don't do the chain as well.
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kawasaki_rick
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posted June 22, 2008 04:55 PM
I think ill pass, im a cheap-ass. Always looking for a deal. If i sell something ill let ya know if i can swing it.
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posted June 22, 2008 05:06 PM
I put over 12K on a busa and changed out the sprocket at 1K. They looked good when I sold it and the guys that bought it has over 15 witht he same set up no changes. Keep them lubed and adjusted and dont look back!
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posted June 22, 2008 07:43 PM
Man I dont know if I want to gear down.My 14 is pretty wheelie prown as it is.....08 with brocks smed street map.Just turned over 1000 miles,wow like a light switch turned up the power...The 08 busa with the same set up was speechless...Starting to get notice from the Busa Boys... 
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posted June 22, 2008 07:44 PM
Sorry thats Smeg...
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road rage
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posted June 22, 2008 09:31 PM
Edited By: road rage on 22 Jun 2008 22:31
I'm running a 17/43 (driven) sprocket combo on my 06 with 11,400 miles on it now. I made the swith (rear sprocket only from 41 to 43) when I hit 8K miles. It works great and there was ample room for the switch without buying a new chain.
Good Luck,
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posted June 23, 2008 05:06 AM
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I'm running a 17/43 (driven) sprocket combo on my 06 with 11,400 miles on it now. I made the swith (rear sprocket only from 41 to 43) when I hit 8K miles. It works great and there was ample room for the switch without buying a new chain.
Road Rage-Did that switch to the 43 tooth(keeping the stock 17 tooth) bring more noticable lower end torqure? Did you have to add the speedo healer(I think it's called) to compensate? Last, which manufacturer?
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posted June 23, 2008 05:48 AM
I have a 17-43 on my 2008 with the stock chain and it does fix and it works just fine.
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posted June 23, 2008 06:18 AM
Naj454--Did that switch to the 43 tooth(keeping the stock 17 tooth) bring more noticable lower end torqure? Did you have to add the speedo healer(I think it's called) to compensate? Last, which manufacturer?
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posted June 23, 2008 01:39 PM
Thanks RoadRage! I'm ordering my sprocket and speedohealer tonight!!!
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posted June 23, 2008 03:03 PM
Edited By: MJ on 23 Jun 2008 16:22
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What's different on the '08 I thought a 43 fit the 06/07 just fine? If anyone knows for sure that the 43 tooth will not fit the 06/07 please let me know. I'm about to order a 43 for my 07.
Thanks
A 43 will NOT fit with a stock front and chain (I've done it) unless the chain is REALLY stretched. By that time its probably not a good idea to stick a new sprocket on that combo anyways A 42 is as big as you can go with the stock front and chain. You can do a 16 front/43 rear with the stock chain on an 06-07 though.
I need to add, the 43 will fit on the stock set-up but the chain will be completely tight. No slack at all. If you run it like that you will do some serious damage to (or possibly break) your chain/sprockets and most likely your countershaft bearing as well
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posted June 23, 2008 09:58 PM
The rear 43T sprocket I bought is made by Driven, it's steel and is powder coated black. It looks very stealthy / factory (this is a mod nobody will notice honestly).
I don't know how many miles (minimum) are needed on a stock chain in order for it to fit, I had about 10K on mine already when I switched. I still had some adjustment remaining even after fitting it (about 1/4 inch rearward).
Saying that the stock chain is probably already worn out / stretched at that point is silly. In those 10 thousand miles I had at the time, I had only adjusted my chain perhaps 3 times by then and total movement was equal to maybe 1/4 along the adjuster or from one vertical line to the next. Which means for me at least, my chain wasn't worn a bit. Of course in saying that, I'll also add that I only drive on the streets, no drag racing for me so that perhaps at least explains part of it. It you're a modest street rider, I'd bet your chain has probably worn similar with plenty of life remaining and the switch to a 43T rear sprocket is very possbile with little hopes of breaking things of causing damage. If you're chain is wearing anything like mine, you've probably even said this about your chain "I'll probably get 25 thousand miles outta this chain" .
Stop trying to scare people. I have't read too many threads about people replacing chains unless they've stretched their swing arms or raced their bikes.
If it fits, and there's slack, it's probably enough.
Phil
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posted June 25, 2008 01:11 AM
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The rear 43T sprocket I bought is made by Driven, it's steel and is powder coated black. It looks very stealthy / factory (this is a mod nobody will notice honestly).
I don't know how many miles (minimum) are needed on a stock chain in order for it to fit, I had about 10K on mine already when I switched. I still had some adjustment remaining even after fitting it (about 1/4 inch rearward).
Saying that the stock chain is probably already worn out / stretched at that point is silly. In those 10 thousand miles I had at the time, I had only adjusted my chain perhaps 3 times by then and total movement was equal to maybe 1/4 along the adjuster or from one vertical line to the next. Which means for me at least, my chain wasn't worn a bit. Of course in saying that, I'll also add that I only drive on the streets, no drag racing for me so that perhaps at least explains part of it. It you're a modest street rider, I'd bet your chain has probably worn similar with plenty of life remaining and the switch to a 43T rear sprocket is very possbile with little hopes of breaking things of causing damage. If you're chain is wearing anything like mine, you've probably even said this about your chain "I'll probably get 25 thousand miles outta this chain" .
Stop trying to scare people. I have't read too many threads about people replacing chains unless they've stretched their swing arms or raced their bikes.
If it fits, and there's slack, it's probably enough.
Phil
The driven 43 tooth is the exact same sprocket I have Good taste Too bad it won't fit on my stock set-up 
I have to say though, If you have a stock front sprocket and stock chain with a 43 tooth rear, and your adjuster is only one adjuster line away from the back, you have ALOT of chain stretch in 10,000 miles. It sounds like with the stock back sprocket you'd be maxed out  Sticking the new 43 rear on your 10,000 mile stock set-up could be the reason you have that much stretch I have 4000 miles on my stock set-up and I'm not even halfway back on my adjusters yet (and I use ALOT of throttle ALOT of the time). People always forget about chains...they just kinda figure they'll last forever, when in reality your life is riding on that chain.
Do you know how to check a chain to see if its worn out BEFORE it breaks? Most folks don't, they just guesstimate with the most important part on their bike. Chains are like belts in cars....most folks don't worry about them till they break........bad move The reason its recommended by everyone (including all manufacturers in the owners manuals...take a look) to replace chains and sprockets as a set is because new sprockets with a worn chain or vice versa will greatly speed up the wear/breakdown of all the components...and when a chain breaks you end up with mucho $$$$ in repairs and possibly serious or potentially fatal physical harm. I'm not trying to knock you or scare anybody...but alot of folks have an attitude like yours when it comes to chains. Of all the things on your bike you need to stay on top of and spend the money on, chains and tires are at the very top of the list. There's a quick and easy way to tell when your chains done that takes 5 seconds and requires removing nothing on your bike. If you want to know how to do it just ask I highly recommend everybody does it regularly once you get to 10,000 miles and up
BTW you can EASILY destroy a chain in 10,000 miles if you ride hard. I know guys that do it ALL the time lol.
Don't bury your head in the sand when it comes to chains......being proactive can save you tons of money and possibly your life.
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posted June 25, 2008 01:50 AM
My question is, what will I gain in the 1/4 mile by running 17/43 vs. 17/41??????
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posted June 25, 2008 04:27 PM
Edited By: road rage on 25 Jun 2008 17:32
MJ,
This is just for you....
Chain Adjuster I I I I I I I
In the first 10K miles I of owning this bike w/ stock 41T sprocket fitted, my adjuster had moved (as shown in the scale above) from mark line 3 to 4 (counting from the left). I think you got me mixed up in my last post so I hope this diagram paints a better picture for all, with '3' being the stock position when new, and over those 10 thousand miles it's only move reaward to the next adjustment mark '4' on the scale. The distance doesn't matter only that it's been ajdusted properly by me and it's only moved ONE MARK. My point here and what I was getting at is that there has been very little wear in my experience and with the stock 17/41sprocket set-up I'd probably see that same chain last me 25K miles. I don't know what every other persons chain looks like, I can only assume they know how to read, adjust, etc their own equipment. Reading my adjuster (as shown above) suggest to me that my chain was in good shape and could withstand the change from a 41T to a 43T without fear that it would accelerate wear or go kabooom in short order.
Good Luck
Phil
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MJ
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posted June 26, 2008 12:30 AM
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MJ,
This is just for you....
Chain Adjuster I I I I I I I
In the first 10K miles I of owning this bike w/ stock 41T sprocket fitted, my adjuster had moved (as shown in the scale above) from mark line 3 to 4 (counting from the left). I think you got me mixed up in my last post so I hope this diagram paints a better picture for all, with '3' being the stock position when new, and over those 10 thousand miles it's only move reaward to the next adjustment mark '4' on the scale. The distance doesn't matter only that it's been ajdusted properly by me and it's only moved ONE MARK. My point here and what I was getting at is that there has been very little wear in my experience and with the stock 17/41sprocket set-up I'd probably see that same chain last me 25K miles. I don't know what every other persons chain looks like, I can only assume they know how to read, adjust, etc their own equipment. Reading my adjuster (as shown above) suggest to me that my chain was in good shape and could withstand the change from a 41T to a 43T without fear that it would accelerate wear or go kabooom in short order.
Good Luck
Phil
Thanks for clearing that up Phil....I did mis-understand you It sounds like you were a good candidate for the swap then......thats minimal stretch for your mileage. Like you said its kinda each persons responsibility to maintain/judge for themselves things like chain condition ect. Thats part of the risk we take riding. Depending on my judgement and observations of my chain I can't say if I would put a new sprocket on an 8k mile chain or not......but I might. The chain would have to be in pretty darn good shape with minimal stretch
The quick and easy way to check your chain is to grab a link at the very back of the rear sprocket and try and pull it off the sprocket. If it comes off more than halfway, its time for a new chain.......regardless of mileage
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