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posted June 10, 2008 08:13 AM
2006-07 Horsepower VS 2008?
Every magazine I read shows the 2008's peak HP down anywhere from 7-10 HP from the 06-07's. I know all bikes are a little different but it seems the 08 changes didn't help in the horsepower wars. What's your opinions?
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northmedic
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posted June 10, 2008 08:22 AM
well from the seat of my pants i would say its down, since my Friend let me Ride his 08 le i was dissapointed
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posted June 10, 2008 08:44 AM
posted May 30, 2008 01:34 PM
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Let’s see…where to begin,
1. We moved from 3 different locations scattered around the city into a single 10,000 square foot building in November 2007 after the World Finals where we raced the Chronic the 08 Busa (FYI: It ran an 8.91@156MPH that I have also yet to publicly post, so Suzuki/fans probably are not very happy with me either).
2. Due to local red tape, we were unable to begin renovations until late January 2008 to get our new warehouse in order before the March-July rush. FYI: We scrapped 26 tons of metal removing previous equipment (old in-ground car dynos) and poured several loads of gravel and concrete inside the warehouse. I personally worked 12-16 hour days every day including weekends from Dec-March.
3. Our new dyno/room was near top priority, but was still not operational until the first week of February. It didn’t really matter, as we were too busy to run it, and there was no track open to test after dyno tuning anyhow.
4. We attended the Dealer show in Indianapolis with a full display twice as large as our first ever display in 2007.
5. We are obligated to attend every AMA Dragbike race in 2008; we have attended 3 so far and Black Bike week in Myrtle Beach, and it’s still MAY.
6. D2 arrived in the snow and it KEPT snowing until late MARCH at which time the snow turned to rain--until about 2 weeks ago.
7. D2 arrived brand new with zero miles. Believe me, no ZX-14 owner wants me to post the dyno or track results with low miles on a 14. In fact, most 14’s don’t loosen up and act right until between 500-1000 miles and D2 seems to be no exception.
8. We now have around 350 DYNO miles (any idea how long that takes?!) on D2 because we are not allowed to ride it on the street (it’s not our bike, it belongs to Kawasaki). It makes more power than my 06 ZX-14 did with the same miles and about the same as the 08 Busa does now, but until it has more miles—it would not be fair to post any results.
9. D2 has run 9.16@152MPH with a 160 lb rider (Sonny Kershner) at my local track, on the same day he ran 9.08@155MPH on Chronic. As stated, the bikes make almost the same HP on the dyno but D2 is down 3 mph (see note 7)
10. March and April (looks like May also) were 40-50% higher sales months than our previous record months.
11. Oh yea, needed to come up with a completely new 08 ZX-10 system also since NOTHING is even close to fitting from the older 10s (Lee, your pipe is in my hands, and we will be mapping tomorrow
12. One last note--my previous warehouse manager was just ARRESTED for unethical business practices and is facing felony theft charges related to stealing from my business…I can’t comment any more on that subject due to legal ramifications. I’ll let you know more after the P.O.S. is locked up.
……I think that covers most of where I have been….
Please remember that as much as I want to be a full time source of information to give speed junkies their fix, at the end of the day I am a business owner with employees with families, etc…
I will get to the full non-bias results as soon as they exist.
Thank you for understanding,
Brock
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...quote from the Brock's MIA post on page 3...see number 8 above...
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posted June 10, 2008 09:10 AM
Brock, I was just making a general comment on the magazinew articles; nothing specific about you at all. You may want to post that info seperately. Tom
The thread about Cycle Worlds test got lost with ZX-10 comments except for Ricky Gadston saying the 08 is faster but go figure as to who got the fast ZX. I feel very strongly that any bike Ricky gets is a little more "special" then mine.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:28 AM
SE ZX-14...that wan't Brock that responded to your post. I was quoting his post from another thread to respond to yours.
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man00
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posted June 10, 2008 09:42 AM
I'm lost..are we speaking HP numbers? I wouldn't believe any magazine articles when it comes to this. I found out long ago HP numbers and bikes are like computer hardware and Tom's Hardware site...its more of who is sending the money at that time. I use to wonder why someone didn't take Suzuki, Honda, Kawi, any of them to court for false advertising with some those blown up numbers.
Same with exhaust manufactures and no I'm not pointing fingers at anyone..I buy pipes for the look and quality build than HP gains anyway.....IMO
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kawasaki_1965
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posted June 10, 2008 11:31 AM
Who rides around on a stock 14? Base stock HP shouldn't mean squat poopers for the majority.
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NinjaNick
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posted June 10, 2008 02:12 PM
My 2008 at 500miles STOCK got 169hp with 103lbs.ft toque.
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posted June 10, 2008 03:37 PM
2006 with 6600 miles.....scary fast
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posted June 10, 2008 04:12 PM
uncorked will be very close 06-07-08.
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reward69
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posted June 10, 2008 05:35 PM
 Edited By: reward69 on 10 Jun 2008 18:37
Never rode a 06'or 07' but my 08' didnt really impress until changing the pipe, and getting it mapped. Other than the silver that I love, to do over I would have gotten an 07' and saved some coin!!!! Over 2K to be exact, that would have paid for both the brocks and PC as well as a little bling if wanted...
BTW I came from a modded 03' busa, so thats why the (not impressed comment) when stock.
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man00
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posted June 10, 2008 07:30 PM
Edited By: man00 on 10 Jun 2008 20:31
I have a 2008 and to be100% honest I can't say its any faster than my old 2005 Hayabusa...I like the 14 more up to this point ..I will say that.
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posted June 11, 2008 02:01 AM
Edited By: 00Busa on 11 Jun 2008 03:02
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I have a 2008 and to be100% honest I can't say its any faster than my old 2005 Hayabusa...I like the 14 more up to this point ..I will say that.
Your '08 must still be stock, if you put a pipe and pc on it there's no comparison to a '05 Busa in power with the same mods. I ran 5.80s on Silver08's 14 (pump gas) - an '05 Busa won't do that without some engine work. Mt '06 runs low 5.70s but it's set up a little different from Silver08's.
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bayou boy
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posted June 11, 2008 04:08 AM
ye deff got blow up numbers,
i went to dealer ship an got the invoices that come with the title on the bike when it is ship,
08 busa @ the crank-194
08 14 @ crank- 193
08 zx-10@crank-192
08 suk 1000@crank-185
these are real numbers sent out by kaw &suz.
not blown up dyno numbers.
cycle numbers
08-busa in a mode produce most of the hp- 166.
08 zx-14- 161-
06-zx-14- 169
difference is the busa has the top end of the 06, but the strong low end ofthe 08.
i like my 06 14 much better than both, once u take flys out, it stills kills the 08 busa.
the 08 14 to 06 14, i 'll take 06, i never like looking hp, that's why we buy pipe&pc an get nos, to help, an we looseing hp out the gate an't good.
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bayou boy
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posted June 11, 2008 04:11 AM
they got guys getting 200 hp out of a stock 08 busa with pipe an power commander, , i went to a dyno show to see, an the numbers are real, by the way they dyno, not corrected dyno,
when they flip to other mode , those numbers went way down.
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posted June 11, 2008 06:14 AM
Same thing happen with the 12s...When Kawasaki made the 12s smoother it made them feel slow, but ended up being faster on the DragStrip!!!
The 08 14 is smoother due to a better fuel system set up than the 06-07, Thats why Rickey says the 08 is faster on the DragStrip!!!
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kimski2001
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posted June 11, 2008 07:33 AM
personally i wouldnt worry about H/P #''s.stock for stock the 06,08 14 and busa are pretty close in all tests.brock even said in that dragbike article the bikes are close.all i can say is if you wanna go fast do your homework!
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posted June 11, 2008 09:24 AM
"all i can say is if you wanna go fast do your homework!" Great advice!!!!
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posted June 11, 2008 10:53 AM
Don't worry about them #'s so much. Worry about the guy or gal you are lining up against and then you are matching skill for skill.
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bayou boy
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posted June 11, 2008 11:55 AM
hey to each it's own, a stock bike with with just a pipe &pc doing 200 real hp, ok i been to shows also an seen it, then seen these same bikes go get dyno at another show , total different story...... but each dyno is different..... got to put em on the track to see whats real
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Bently
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posted June 11, 2008 01:51 PM
My track said 9.18 for my 06 14 at 62 inches and 9.28 for my busa at 60 inches. same dyno same day my 06 14 189 hp and my 08 Busa 198. Buddies 08 busa, same day same dyno right after mine 201 hp. all these numbers on 87 pump gas. another 08 busa right after his 196 hp.
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posted June 11, 2008 02:32 PM
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My track said 9.18 for my 06 14 at 62 inches and 9.28 for my busa at 60 inches. same dyno same day my 06 14 189 hp and my 08 Busa 198. Buddies 08 busa, same day same dyno right after mine 201 hp. all these numbers on 87 pump gas. another 08 busa right after his 196 hp.
All them numbers have me confused  (lol).
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Bently
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posted June 11, 2008 03:07 PM
let me make it simple,06-08 14s and 08 busa's are fast LOL
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bayou boy
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posted June 11, 2008 03:15 PM
i an't saying u lying, just saying it's hard for me to belive it, i seen it to , stock 14 with brock&pc went 196. that's how i know u telling the truth, what i 'm saying is that people dyno different, that 196 was 174 at the other guy dyno's
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posted June 11, 2008 03:27 PM
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I have a 2008 and to be100% honest I can't say its any faster than my old 2005 Hayabusa...I like the 14 more up to this point ..I will say that.
My 06 14 stock was substantially faster than my modded/ geared 03 busa. And once the 14 had the flies pulled/exhaust mods ect it was crazy fast from idle up  The 08's just need to be remapped and have the exhaust uncorked and it'll blow your mind 
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