Smooth_G
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posted May 26, 2008 09:24 PM
CHAIN LUBE
need some input on chain lube,,,,i used chain wax on my ducati,,it didnt fly off,,but i dont think it lubricates very well either,,,i have been using pj1black label, it lubricates well,,but flies off bad,,i am trying the pj1 blue label,,,i clean it with wd40 ,,,then lube it,,
  
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NinjaNick
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posted May 26, 2008 10:50 PM
WD here.
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butterthegreat
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posted May 27, 2008 06:05 AM
I clean with motorex chain cleaner (the 611 stuff I believe) and lube with chain wax....no problems here.
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kspz3
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posted May 27, 2008 08:34 AM
DuPont teflon spray - available at Lowes - it stays on....
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Hawkman
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posted May 27, 2008 09:08 AM
PJ1 blue here.
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ekz
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posted May 27, 2008 10:55 AM
motorex cleaner and maxima chain wax. clear not white in color, and stays on.
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tnchip
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posted May 27, 2008 01:23 PM
Plain motor oil in a small bottle,put a drop on each link after a ride while chain is warm
then wipe off excess with a rag. Check your owners manual, a properly oiled chain can
last a long time with very few adjustments.
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butterthegreat
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posted May 27, 2008 05:41 PM
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Plain motor oil in a small bottle,put a drop on each link after a ride while chain is warm
then wipe off excess with a rag. Check your owners manual, a properly oiled chain can
last a long time with very few adjustments.
I got 15k outta my stock chain with my method...only adjusted the chain 3 times.
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NinjaNick
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posted May 27, 2008 06:44 PM
 Edited By: NinjaNick on 27 May 2008 19:48
quote:
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Plain motor oil in a small bottle,put a drop on each link after a ride while chain is warm
then wipe off excess with a rag. Check your owners manual, a properly oiled chain can
last a long time with very few adjustments.
I got 15k outta my stock chain with my method...only adjusted the chain 3 times.
I got 19k with WD-40 on my stock chain from my other bike. Says on the bottle it lubes chains, rollers, etc. It's the lube of GODS! It also isn't thick wax/lube shit that collects dirt and robs horsepower because of it's thickness. Best HP gets pulled with WD too. :cool:The chain has a trackday(roadcourse) done with it, and ridden like a rented mule too. Probably could've gotten more, but I sold it. 
I adjusted the chain alot because it has to be adjusted when putting on a new tire. I've went through 9 rear tires so that is 9 adjustments. 
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lietoome
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posted May 28, 2008 05:43 AM
28K on a stock chain. 90% WD. Would've gone more, but 2 links froze after it sat in my garage during back surgery/recovery.
The Black PJ1 SUCKS!!!
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bigdtd
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posted May 28, 2008 09:17 AM
Motul Street Chain Lube
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BobC
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posted May 28, 2008 09:42 AM
Edited By: BobC on 28 May 2008 10:45
So what's the secret of preparing a chain for the minimum power-loss in competition? Is it a really good clean and lube (that's what I've been doing) or is there some secret preparation, such as removing the O'rings ?
Did I read something about a specially prepared chain from a certain well-known Tuner?
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted May 28, 2008 10:59 AM
Yeah I've heard mention of that myself Bob. I guess non-O'ring chains in a smaller 515? size are the schiznit for efficiency.
Be warned though, my friend dropped down to a 520 conversion non-O'ring chain for his 636 and had it fail on him at 7K. So much for there 9500 pound tensile strength rating. He noticed a difference in how much easier it was to keep up with me on the straights though (when I rode my TL1000R). And he lubed that thing after EVERY ride, too.
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MATTZ14
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posted May 28, 2008 11:16 AM
Maxima Chain Wax here. No problems with the chain @ 9500 miles, but I did smoke my Vortex rear sprocket in about 4000. All street riding. Switched to a Renthal this time. Don't really know if that is normal. My last bike was shaft, and the one before that was an 89 zx10.
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BobC
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posted May 28, 2008 11:49 AM
Maybe race chain for competition use is what I need to investigate. I remember how freely the rear wheel used to spin on bikes with non-O'ring chain. Spin the wheel on the 14 with standard OE chain and see how much drag there is (with the rear caliper off). It must consume several bhp at top speed. Power that we spend money to gain through engine tuning and it's lost in the transmission. I'm not worried about road use or long life, just power.
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KawaBonzai
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posted May 28, 2008 01:02 PM
WD-40 is EVIL !!!!
Yo !
+1 for Maxima Chain Wax here too.
I know how some folks feel about the wax and stuff, claiming it's thicker and possibly attracts more dirt, but it doesn't. the wax goes on somewhat thick, good coverage and good penetration. When ridden the chain heats up and so does the wax, any excess if flung off just like any other lube. The difference is the wax has greater adhesion strength, so more of it remains to protect.
Keep in mind that chains come pre-oiled, so using Maxima chain wax from the get-go keeps the dirt our and the lube in.
WD40 when it penetrates deep enough will break down the lube inside the rollers, it becomes thin and diluted. It then works it's way out and gets flung off. The deceptive part is that without all the normal lube inside the rollers the chain seemingly spins more freely. Then you apply more WD40 and the outside looks nice and clean. So an external exam of the chain shows it nice and clean coupled with the seemingly increase in performance and most folks THINK it's a better method.
Take a look at this photo ...
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This is a ball and races in a sealed bearing that had been subjected to regular use of WD-40 for a year or two. The grease was NOT cleaned out before taking this photo - there simply is no grease and the brownish tint is really rust.
The ball had grooves (visible) and was shaped like a potato chip. The races had not evenly worn (see sectioned edge) and were rutted in spots, although neither shows too well.
We learned that WD-40 is really good for the light uses that it was intended for and that needs to be emphasized. However, it is largely a penetrant, which will do just that!
Once it penetrates into the sealed area, it dissolves the petroleum out of the grease, leaving the clay binders. What's left in the bearing is essentially dirt that cakes up, causing the balls to skid. Without the petroleum, the bearing will also rust.
... Bonzai
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NinjaNick
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posted May 28, 2008 01:13 PM
I grease bearings if they need it.
I lube chain with WD and all others I know report longer lasting chains than any other.
It's a useless arguement though because so many crucify things without doing them themselves for a few years.
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KawaBonzai
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posted May 28, 2008 01:50 PM
Agreed. I must admit that I crucify WD-40 without having used it ever on any of my chains in over 24 years of riding.
I use WD-40 around the house though and found that when WD-40 touches rubber it breaks down the rubber. I use it as a cleaner for greasy surfaces, works great at breaking loose grease. Slap it on a rusty bolt and it penetrates like mad.
Then I think about those 3 aspects and using it on my chain? No way Jose.
Call me biased.
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NinjaNick
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posted May 28, 2008 02:03 PM
Haha...true, but don't call me JOSE!  
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warbird
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posted May 28, 2008 02:08 PM
quote:
Maybe race chain for competition use is what I need to investigate. I remember how freely the rear wheel used to spin on bikes with non-O'ring chain. Spin the wheel on the 14 with standard OE chain and see how much drag there is (with the rear caliper off). It must consume several bhp at top speed. Power that we spend money to gain through engine tuning and it's lost in the transmission. I'm not worried about road use or long life, just power.
Your exactly right Bob...................the rolling resistance at top speed is ALOT, especially with a gummed up o-ring chain full of chain lube.  I use Mobil-1 15-50 on my stock chain........one drop per link on both sides. I wipe it several times to soak up any excess, and it works great. You can spin the wheel and it keeps on rolling compared to one with chain lube all over it. The synthetic oil is very slippery and lubricates well. A drive chain love's it. It won't stay on the chain like chain lube..........but when you go to wipe of the fling from your wheel.........a spray of WD-40 on a rag and it wipes right off. No mess like chain lube.
For your competition's a non o-ring chain is the only way to go. Lube it with Mobil-1 and I bet you will free up a BUNCH of hp at 200 mph.............. 
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jarhead
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posted May 28, 2008 02:11 PM
As far as on the track I have found little difference in the o ring versus non. I used WD for a long time with a mix of track on a DRZ530, and had no problems but I noticed that every time I cleaned the chain I had aluminum from the sprocket on there. Maybe it was my alignment but I went back to regular chain lube and the cool thing is you get the spatter free! I really like WD for the clean up factor.
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KawaBonzai
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posted May 28, 2008 02:17 PM
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I really like WD for the clean up factor.
Yup, Warbird above you touched on the same topic. Wd-40 on a rag to clean the chain.
I took this text directly from the www.WD40.com ...
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Known as "the can with thousands of uses," WD-40® protects metal from rust and corrosion, penetrates stuck parts, displaces moisture, and lubricates just about anything. WD-40 is also great when it comes to cleaning grease, grime, and other marks from most surfaces.
"Great when it comes to cleaning grease" .... "penetrates stuck parts" ....
Sorry, but those do not scream "Soak your chain with me!" ... hehehe.
My official stance (meaning really nothing) is that I'd use WD-40 as an external cleaning agent only. Avoiding at all costs letting it penetrate the o-rings.
I should retire as Equestrian percussionist. no more beating on the dead horse for me.
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warbird
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posted May 28, 2008 02:27 PM
Well I agree 100% Bonzai. I was speaking of cleaning the fling from my WHEEL though. I might rub a rag with WD-40 on the side plates of my chain ( I don't let my chains get very dirty ) but I never spray it anywhere near the o-rings. Even the propelent from chain lube can's and WD-40 can harm the o-rings. I use kerosene to do a thorough cleaning, as it won't harm the o-rings. Anyone who has read a Suzuki Owners Manual or Service Manual would know that they don't reccomend ANY comercially sold chain lube. Suzuki reccomends 80-90 gear oil. That's right out of my Hayabusa Service Manual.
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NinjaNick
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posted May 28, 2008 02:52 PM
Edited By: NinjaNick on 28 May 2008 15:52
Here's another find from: http://www.wd40.com/uses-tips/function/drives-out-moisture/
All Categories & Functions
Lubricates motorcycle chains
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NinjaNick
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posted May 28, 2008 02:56 PM
Warbird:
I would like to try this Mobil 1 15-50 oil.
How long between each oiling?
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