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posted April 16, 2008 05:50 PM
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my guy sal from ace performance does just that regularly
well whats attached to that ALL motor bike ...cuz ain't NO all motor bike gonna run 220 mph in a standing mile ...
even the bad azz turbo zx14 with 600hp only ran a 230mph standing mile...go look that up hot shot and take Sal with you...
EVEN 600HP BUSA 'S ONLY BEST IS 240 SOMETHING
YOU CAN READ IT DOES say world FASTEST ZX14
http://www.mrturbo.com/customer_gallery/kawasaki/kevin-mullner/kevin_mullner.html
I happen to work with Sal at ACE PERFORMANCE. I work on that 1507cc Naturally Aspirated Hayabusa you're talking about.
Both bikes put out about 235-240rwhp ....
yeap with a 90lb rider and down hill and a tailwind ...i guess you can do just about anything and call it for what ever you want to see it as....just come on down to Texas this Oct. and see if you hit 210mph with a average weight rider of 170lbs unsuited.... come on impress me ..i do the bar-b-qing while you try ...235hp to 240hp aint gonna get it done here but then again maxton must be easy...
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posted April 16, 2008 06:07 PM
Sal is 168lb's
Dave is 180lb's
Maxton is flat, not downhill.
Sal had an 8mph tailwind
Dave had a 20mph tailwind
(according to the weather almanac at the track)
Maxton is a shitty track. It's covered with sand and riddled with clayfilled potholes and cracks.
It's an old WWII airfield that is no longer in use.
The Texas Mile track is 1000% nicer than Maxton. The only problem you guys have is that you're constantly dealing with big headwinds that slow you down.
I really wish you'd get some of your facts straight before you make all kinds of assumptions. Just because nobody at Texas can do these speeds with that amount of power, it doesn't mean it's impossible.... it only means nobody at Texas knows how to build such a machine.
Horsepower is not even 1/2 of the formula for speed.... any PRO will tell you that.
As for Texas in Oct. I'm afraid Maxton is the same weekend and that's where we'll be.
If conditions are good, we're expecting the following from our two racebikes.
223mph N/A 1507cc Busa
210mph N/A 1287cc ZX-12R
Good luck at Texas this year, hope you guys have fun.
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posted April 16, 2008 06:19 PM
oh no hot shot ...just cause you did it at one place don't mean you can do it at another... like i said maxton is easy so where would somebody want to go to get a reputation as fast ... if you want to get facts strait ...why you keep going to the same place... its like running at a fast dragstrip compaired to a slow unprep no traction track... what have you prove that you can run fast at one location but sux at another ...
what you scared of texas cuz you'll find out you no better of a engine builder than anybody else...
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posted April 16, 2008 06:50 PM
We go to Maxton because that's where the fastest 1 mile records are set.
I agree, Those Texas headwinds are notorious and definately make it tough to go fast... but at the end of the day, all the fastest bikes run at Maxton, that's where the big competition is at.... that's where you want to be if you want to go fast.
Sorry, but these are facts, not opinions.
I really don't have anything else to say on this matter, feel free to get in the last word.
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posted April 16, 2008 06:59 PM
220mph - 20mph for the tailwind = 200mph. Still Fast as shit for a naturally aspirated bike. Good job man, I'll give credit where credit is due and any bike that breaks the 200mph mark in the standing mile is deserving. Were you there when the guys from Wildbros did 200 on their N/A Vmax? I'd love to ride that thing. Talk about a torque monster.
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posted April 16, 2008 07:20 PM
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THIS RECORD on this thread is from a PRODUCTION MOTORCYCLE ONLY USEING PRODUCTION PARTS
http://www.ecta-lsr.com/RecordsMoto1.php
i don't see 220 mph motorcycles in any records ...and there's a class for everything like Prostar..
BUT I DO SEE ACE PROFORMANCE in the MODIFIED MOTORCYCLES looks like you have a long way to go to catch that 250mph turbo bike with a all motor bike in that same cc class... my point has been and always been YOU CAN CALL ANYTHING ALL MOTOR BIKE EVEN THAT TURBO BIKE..
http://www.ecta-lsr.com/RecordsMoto2.php
BUT this thread is about a PRODUCTION BIKE WITH PRODUCTION PARTS ONLY running 223mph on a salt flat track thats longer than a mile ...untill somebody says 220mph is common at maxton... please show me were
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posted April 16, 2008 07:23 PM
I would like to point out that i was wrong in my previous comment. I'm so used to calculating groundspeed from airspeed that i messed up and used that for calculating groundspeed from a tailwind. I could have been nailed to the cross on here but was PM'ed instead. Thank you for allowing me to fix the fact that i looked like an ass. Regardless, 200+ mph in the standing mile is fast no matter where you do it. I could have edited that part out of my previous post, but I screwed up so i'll just admit it instead.
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posted April 17, 2008 02:00 PM
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Btw, has anyone actually seen the actual internet article on this? They show him on a HAYABUSA, not a ZX-14.
Another related (almost completely plagerized) article from another "internet news" website stated that the run was performed on Jan. 27 2008.
So I got a little curious and checked the official DLRA website (the sanctioning body of the LSR events there in Aus) and couldn't find anything about this John Howe guy anywhere. So I checked the official DLRA forums and not one thread about any recent event. In fact, the only recent talk is about when the first event for 2008 is going to be. Turns out their "Speed Week" was canceled and is STILL "Indefinately Postponed".
Fact of the matter is that NOBODY is racing there because the Dry Lake conditions are not suitable for racing right now.
Sorry guys, but I think this entire story holds very little water.
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posted April 17, 2008 02:52 PM
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Btw, has anyone actually seen the actual internet article on this? They show him on a HAYABUSA, not a ZX-14.
Apparently you have not seen the article either. there isn't a picture of ANY rider on ANY bike ...
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Another related (almost completely plagerized) article from another "internet news" website stated that the run was performed on Jan. 27 2008.
Link please.
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So I got a little curious and checked the official DLRA website (the sanctioning body of the LSR events there in Aus) and couldn't find anything about this John Howe guy anywhere.
The article quoted does not mention this was sanctioned by any governing body. the only mention is that of a Swiss company who was doing the official timing. Not every run on our dry lake beds are sanctioned by one body, why should it be the same over there?
On a side note, this article I quoted was dealing with a time record set by a bike running production parts and not modified. All of this diversion into Turbo's and stroker kits should not come into play here.
Apples to Apples, Oranges to Oranges. It's not that hard guys.
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posted April 17, 2008 02:56 PM
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posted April 17, 2008 03:04 PM
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Or, is it "Shierts" is the "shits" ... hehehe.
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posted April 17, 2008 04:00 PM
Edited By: Phantom13 on 17 Apr 2008 17:17
Oh, I've read the article .... and seen the picture..
See, your picture is of the NZ Herald quoting the Northern Advocate article... NOT the Northern Advocate which is the SOURCE of this story.
Here's a link to the ORIGINAL SOURCE of this entire story.
http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/localnews/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3769337
BTW, THIS IS THE SAME ARTICLE THAT SAYS THE RUN WAS MADE JAN 27.
As for the "independant run"..... If you go on the DLRA website and check out the forums, you'll see how they are all talking about how the conditions of Lake Gairdner is NOT currently suitable for any racing.
I know you ZX-14 guys would just looooooove to believe this story is true, but let's enter the realm of reality for a brief moment and evaluate exactly what is being said.
223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
Looks like this is an April Fools Joke that's horribly late.
Sorry guys, but if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck..... it's not a penguin regardless of how much you wish it was.
That being said, the DLRA rules are identical to those of the SCTA and ECTA which states that the PRODUCTION CLASS allows for any and all engine modifications so long as external appearance is showroom stock and the engine is within displacement limits of that particular class.
Example: We can take our 220mph Stroker 1507cc Busa and put the stock exhaust system back on and run in the PRODUCTION CLASS at Bonn. , Maxton, El Mirage, Lake Gairdner, etc....
and it would be 100% LEGAL AND LEGIT according to the rulebook.
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posted April 17, 2008 04:14 PM
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Oh, I've read the article .... and seen the picture.. See, your picture is of the NZ Herald quoting the Northern Advocate article... NOT the Northern Advocate which is the SOURCE of this story. Here's a link to the ORIGINAL SOURCE of this entire story.
http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/localnews/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3769337
Thanks for the link, except for the picture, not much is different.
The photo is not of the actual rider as indicated by ... "Picture/Supplied". the is a 'stock' photo used from the library of images the paper has. If it were a photo from an actual source it would have the credit of the photographer. It's an industry standard used everplace. Being a photographer it's a bit clearer to me.
I'm not seeing ANY link to any race organization in that article either. How do you come to link his ride and DLRA? There is no mention or suggestion of such in either article.
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Are you sure you know what a Duck looks like? Remind me not to go hunting with you, I may lose a foot. 
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posted April 17, 2008 04:23 PM
Then why did the article specifically state that the picture was John Howe riding the bike?
Listen.... I'm not going to debate such a ridiculous story any longer.
I know you ZX-14 guys would just looooooove to believe this story is true, but let's enter the realm of reality for a brief moment and evaluate exactly what is being said.
223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
Looks like this is an April Fools Joke that's horribly late.
Post this story on some of the land speed racing forums on the net and see how many laughs you get.
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posted April 17, 2008 05:20 PM
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Then why did the article specifically state that the picture was John Howe riding the bike?
Google for the terms "Stock Photo" and get educated in how the media works. I only have time to school you non "ZX-14" guys on the road.
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Listen.... I'm not going to debate such a ridiculous story any longer.
Knowing you have a problem is the first step. congrats.
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I know you ZX-14 guys would just looooooove to believe this story is true, but let's enter the realm of reality for a brief moment and evaluate exactly what is being said.
Your realm of reality isn't the real one. Do not pass "go".
The fact that you can't comprehend the event as being anything less than legit is your own downfall, dont push it on us. It's perfectly reasonable and expected for that type of record to be set in the conditions they were. The effort and conclusion of the time trial are well within the boundaries of other results. Get over it.
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223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
You fail at reading comprehension yet again. The article makes no mention that his bike was SHOWROOM FLOOR stock? It only states he used PRODUCTION parts in his mods.
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Looks like this is an April Fools Joke that's horribly late.
The only thing that horribly late is you, but that's expected coming from those who ride the short bus. The short bus isn't as fast as the regular ones.
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Post this story on some of the land speed racing forums on the net and see how many laughs you get.
We get all the laughs we need from watching you convulse on the topic.
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posted April 17, 2008 05:44 PM
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Then why did the article specifically state that the picture was John Howe riding the bike?Listen.... I'm not going to debate such a ridiculous story any longer.
I know you ZX-14 guys would just looooooove to believe this story is true, but let's enter the realm of reality for a brief moment and evaluate exactly what is being said.
223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
Looks like this is an April Fools Joke that's horribly late.
Post this story on some of the land speed racing forums on the net and see how many laughs you get.
Thanks.
Showroom stock UNRESTRICTED ...You mean as in the speed limiter removed? If so that is what Chad did on his zx14 at Maxton and ran 196 a few years back ...That was on a 2006 zx14 with no mods to the bike other than a sprocket change to fool the limiter ...Hell it still had factory oil in it ....That is a little faster than the 186-189 you posted..
I don't think anyone here believes a stock motored zx14 or busa or any other bike will go 223 MPH unless it was dropped from a 747 at 30000 feet ....Give us zx14 owners a little credit because we know what a stock motored ( show room stock ) zx14 will and will not do ..
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posted April 17, 2008 05:58 PM
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223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
this guy ...a real fucking mr know it all ....ALL OVER THE WORLD....Only world you know is east coast
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posted April 17, 2008 06:12 PM
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223mph from a STOCK ZX-14 that has been tested all over the world and will only achieve 186-189mph in showroom stock UNRESTRICTED spec. Anyone with any kind of land speed racing experience or knowledge will tell you it's physically impossible to gain 30mph on a stock ZX-14 without a Turbo, Nitrous, or a seriously modified engine.
this guy ...a real fucking mr know it all ....ALL OVER THE WORLD....Only world you know is east coast
Yup he is a know it all..... Just ask him ...lol....
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posted April 17, 2008 06:54 PM
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http://www.mrturbo.com/customer_gallery/kawasaki/kevin-mullner/kevin_mullner.html
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posted April 18, 2008 06:07 AM
For a second there, I assumed this was a mature and somewhat respectful discussion between adults. With the childish comments and bandwagon followers, it's painfully obvious I was mistaken.
I have no interest in getting involved in a flame war where insults and second-hand information are the weapons of choice. I could sit here and debunk just about everything that's been said with actual evidence and first-hand information... but something tells me it would only invoke more of the same behavior some of you are displaying.
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posted April 18, 2008 06:46 AM
Run Forest run ..... lol....
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posted April 18, 2008 10:29 AM
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For a second there, I assumed this was a mature and somewhat respectful discussion between adults. With the childish comments and bandwagon followers, it's painfully obvious I was mistaken.I have no interest in getting involved in a flame war where insults and second-hand information are the weapons of choice. I could sit here and debunk just about everything that's been said with actual evidence and first-hand information... but something tells me it would only invoke more of the same behavior some of you are displaying.Ride safe guys.
Sorry, we are not falling for your bluff and bravado. You are the one who came into our camp and tried to stir up crap about the article being false when it clearly is not.
Your attempt to debunk info based on stupidity and ignorance is what indicated to me that you should be treated like a Motard (Moron/Retard).
You can't blame us for enjoying the circus when you brought it to town and sold tickets.
And the popcorn sucks too, get a better brand.
Next time you come into our camp and try to flex your e-peen, make sure you got at least a handfull first.
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posted April 18, 2008 12:10 PM
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For a second there, I assumed this was a mature and somewhat respectful discussion between adults. With the childish comments and bandwagon followers, it's painfully obvious I was mistaken.
I have no interest in getting involved in a flame war where insults and second-hand information are the weapons of choice. I could sit here and debunk just about everything that's been said with actual evidence and first-hand information... but something tells me it would only invoke more of the same behavior some of you are displaying.
Ride safe guys.
sorry but who can debate with Phantom13 ..i don't think anybody in the world can cuz its a world according to phantom 13 beliefs and truth...i bet you voted Obama
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sorry but who can debate with Phantom13 ..i don't think anybody in the world can cuz its a world according to phantom 13 beliefs and truth...i
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posted April 18, 2008 12:17 PM
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For a second there, I assumed this was a mature and somewhat respectful discussion between adults. With the childish comments and bandwagon followers, it's painfully obvious I was mistaken.
I have no interest in getting involved in a flame war where insults and second-hand information are the weapons of choice. I could sit here and debunk just about everything that's been said with actual evidence and first-hand information... but something tells me it would only invoke more of the same behavior some of you are displaying.
Ride safe guys.
Honestly, why do you think it's other people when this happens to you on every forum? Do you see a pattern here? Sometime you should step out of your regular norm and evaluate how you communicate and why you believe you are the king of everything holy? I'm surprised you have any friends that would even care to ride with you. . If I was the motorcycle genius of the world, I would never help out someone like you. Your arrogance is a disgrace to anything with a pulse. Your personality needs a total strip down and rebuilt from the bottom if you ever want any allies in this thing we call life. 
Have a good day and ride safe. 
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