JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted March 10, 2008 01:13 AM
Shifter???
Has anyone seen dale walkers electric shifter? i have been trying to decide on one (mps air or dales)and it seems like a great principle but i haven't seen one first hand. does anyone know if it works? is it fast? what is the best bet for drag racing??
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jarhead
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posted March 10, 2008 02:26 AM
A friend of mine bought one of Dale Walkers shifters last fall for his wifes gixxer, he has yet to get it on. To be honest I think it is intimidating for him. When we last talked he said he had everything on and just needed to run the cable. Here is what I saw when he brought it to me; it is pretty bulky, the solenoid is pretty good size, the parts looked to be high quality, and the directions were great. To hold the cable still down by the shifter you will have to fabricate your own bracket. I have heard both sides from owners, a guy down in Ky says it trashed the tranny in his R1, but another guy told me he really likes his. The first guy went on to tell me about how bad the directions were so to me I think he didn't read them, or Dale upgraded them because the ones I saw were very good. I think adjustment is the key just as it is with any shifter. My brother runs one of the old school systems with the onboard compressor and he likes it, I run a high pressure and like it very well so it is really preference. If you have easy access to nitrous you can buy one of Muzzys kits and everything is included, even the bottle, you could then pick up a few spare bottles cheap off of the classifieds and be ready to go. They say a bottle is good for x amount of shifts and either they have great plumbers or I am the worlds worst plumber because I could never get the amount of shifts they did out of a bottle, but if you go to the track topped off you never have to worry. Hope this helps.
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted March 10, 2008 06:53 AM
well all i am interested in doing is being able to hook a relay up from my hub so i can have it shift automatically, i just thought it would be nice not to have a bottle or air to deal with. So it seems a high pressure system is the fastest and most reliable right? i just don't think i trust the cable on the dale walker system, seems like a spot to fail but maybe i am wrong.
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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posted March 10, 2008 08:19 AM
Even on a high pressure you still have to have a bottle. I run mine of my nitrous bottle with a 125psi pressure regulator. There are some problems with auto shift that need to be concerns for instance if you spin the tire it can mess some stuff up. I have the MRE which is a MPS and I love it.
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posted March 10, 2008 09:20 AM
i have a dale walker ps3.have had it on my zx12r for going on 7 years i think.....i love it.
as with any push button shifter be carefull not to use too short of kill time. it will shift at low rpm's but not at real high rpm's........buy it. for the street it can't be beat .
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted March 10, 2008 09:43 AM
well i am only interested in redline shifts, so the ps3 would not be a option if it has problems with high RPM shifts Thanks
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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mark524
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posted March 10, 2008 10:28 AM
i think zx12mark means if you have the kill time too low it will shift at low rpms but not high. this is true for air, co2, n20, or electric. You'll be fine with any shifter as long as you set the kill time right.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted March 10, 2008 04:01 PM
As in: the RPM gap between, say 2nd and 3rd when you shift at 5K is only maybe 1thousand RPMs. So the "kill time" could be nice and short. But at 11K, it's gonna drop at least 2 thousand RPMs so it needs to have a longer "kill time" to allow the bike to match revs properly.
Just a setup problem that these guys are trying to warn you about, no matter what shifter you use. Good luck!
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 10, 2008 07:04 PM
cool i understand the importance of set up. i guess it just seems everyone at the track has a air shifter, when i saw the dale walker i just wondered why not, with the importance of weight in drag racing why would you want the extra weight(a bottle) if the all electric was just as good? then i keep seeing those certain words like the ps3 is the great for the STREET and all i really care bout is the track. I guess i just wanted someone to confirm the air is better better yet no one will give me that straight answer i have been looking for lol
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted March 10, 2008 07:26 PM
street as in: you dont have to keep refilling the bottles because your around town shifting has drained it. There has to be a benefit of the air shifter though. I'm waiting myself for someone to chime in with a "here's why we dont use electric on the track" comment.
Well?? Anyone??
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 14, 2008 08:52 PM
guess no one is going to come clean on this one. Looks like a air shifter is on the need to have list
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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Seth ZX12r UK
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posted March 15, 2008 06:02 AM
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guess no one is going to come clean on this one. Looks like a air shifter is on the need to have list
jonny have a look here
http://www.translogicuk.com/products.htm
You can set it to auto shift at whichever rpm you like.
It downshifts as well.
I have one and it is very good build quality.
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MasterBlaster
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posted March 15, 2008 06:06 AM
The holeshots work good, and you can mount the actuator hidden under the cowling. Put one on my Buds Busa and mounted it under the tail cowl. Setup is pretty easy, and only problem he has had was the cable had to be replaced due to a strand breaking and jamming in the sleeve. That probably was a fluke, but still was after a year + of use. Here is what I use, love the downshift feature for the street. It works flawless up or down, but most definately isnt stealth.
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posted March 15, 2008 06:36 AM
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guess no one is going to come clean on this one. Looks like a air shifter is on the need to have list
jonny have a look here
http://www.translogicuk.com/products.htm
You can set it to auto shift at whichever rpm you like.
It downshifts as well.
I have one and it is very good build quality.
Hey that looks like a cool set up!
You have one on a zx14?
Expensive I see, any distributors in N/A? I wonder.
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Red1
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posted March 15, 2008 08:30 AM
JRZX14,
Pingle also makes an electric shifter. Not personally familiar with it but it may be another option for you.
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 24, 2008 06:20 PM
 Edited By: johnnyrocketzx14 on 24 Mar 2008 19:25
thanks all
How do you close a thread? can you?
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1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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posted March 24, 2008 07:23 PM
no, they are open forever here...
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posted March 25, 2008 08:21 PM
hey master blaster... which setup is that? Also for whoever wants to answer this question. I've been wondering about the air or electric shifters as well. How does it affect foot shifting around town?
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lietoome
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posted March 25, 2008 08:28 PM
air shifter works great in town...if you like filling the bottle more often. I just foot shift, it has no ill side effects. Can't comment on the electric...
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MasterBlaster
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posted March 26, 2008 06:05 AM
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hey master blaster... which setup is that? Also for whoever wants to answer this question. I've been wondering about the air or electric shifters as well. How does it affect foot shifting around town?
Thats the Pingle, has no affect on foot shifting. Thing is flawless, up and down buttons mount on the left handle bar between grip and housing. To arm you have to press up or down button for 5 sec while clutch is pulled in with ignition on.
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 26, 2008 12:32 PM
now that is the one i like !! kinda big but no air needed rocks. would like to see it a little cheaper but i guess you get what you pay for
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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bruiserman
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posted March 27, 2008 06:41 PM
I had D walker shifter on my Busa and it shifted at red line perfectly. In fact I had it set with a nice short engine interupt and it was smooth as silk. You just have to set it correctly for the type of shifting you plan on using it for.
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posted March 27, 2008 09:57 PM
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I had D walker shifter on my Busa and it shifted at red line perfectly. In fact I had it set with a nice short engine interupt and it was smooth as silk. You just have to set it correctly for the type of shifting you plan on using it for.
bingo
i used a dale walker for 1/4 mile on my 12 1427 for 6 years; flawless shifts, about a thousand passes, no bottle. Just gotta set it up right.
After all that time i had a problem, couldn't seem to get the microswitch adjusted right after a motor build and said screw it, bought a Muzzy digikill.
when i pulled the dale walker i found that the microswitch was faulty. dumb ass me.
and to top it off the muzzy shifter digikill box took a dump soon after installation.
got the digikill box repaced and all is fine, but i wish i'd never taken the dale walker off, now i have to remember to open the bottle... 
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 28, 2008 01:11 PM
dales is cheaper than the pingle and is certainly more stealth, so now it doesn't sound so bad. But when you look at his website to appears not to be really designed for racing applications. Also says over 300 sold which isn't that impressive, but i am guessing his website needs to be updated
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted March 28, 2008 04:19 PM
Edited By: johnnyrocketzx14 on 28 Mar 2008 18:16
well i am thinking this is the best for the money, MPS # 1-0278. with High pressure part # 1-0333 and then i need the muzzy shifter bracket right? all totals $530 all this is on the schnitz website
http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=4993290&showprevnext=1
Is high pressure worth it?
unless someone has a better idea
EDIT :The pingle and translogic just seem a little expensive idk
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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