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posted February 24, 2008 04:51 PM
 Edited By: smokinzx14 on 24 Feb 2008 17:10
Smokins 2008 zx10 Vs 2006 zx14
Lets start with the day , 80 Deg and 80% humidity ..It's the type day that makes it hard to get out of your leathers because all the sweating ... Track was BMP 1/4 mile track for Runday Sunday 9:00 to 5:00 with close to 300 cars and bikes..It was a tuff day with 2 cars oiling down the track and two car smacking the wall and hours on hours waiting for them to clean up the track ..Steddyteddy and myself where only able to get 5 runs in all day ...Sounds like fun doesn't it .....Trust me it wasn't ..
The bike ... 2008 zx14 29 miles on the speedo ,The only mods were lowered and strapped ...Modded the same way i first run my 2006 zx14 two years ago ..More on that later .. Here comes shot right to my big head letting the air out of my Ego ...My first pass off the trailer was 9.96 @ 142 .96 with and Ego crushing 1.75 60 footer ....Well at least i ran a 9 second pass and not a 10 second pass ...That was hard to take because for the last two years on my zx14 8.80 were easy and normal ....But this zx10 at stock wheel base is a hand full to say the least ...The zx10 make sick sick power from 8000 RPMs to 13000 RPM ...This thing hits like cannon on the top end but the bottom end is weak and sickly Vs the zx14 ...The problem i was having was on me and not the bike , you have to completely relearn to ride this zx10 coming off a zx14 ..In my 5 runs i never got better than a 1.73 60 footer ... wheelies and bogging the motor were the norm ...I just could not find what would work to get this thing out of the hole ... My second pass was really funny , As i shifted from first to second gear i hit the horn button 3 times before i remembered i didn't have and air shifter !!!! lol..No matter what i tried i just got worse with every pass . The good new is once you get this zx10 moving it really hauls butt ..
So i really felt unskilled ass wipe not being able to go fast on a fast bike .....on the way home i started to think back two years to the first time at the track on my zx14 with the very same mods ...Just like the zx10 i had nothing but lowering links and front end strap ...I had to go back to the very first pages on bikeland to find my numbers ... My best 1/8 mile numbers for my zx14 were First run >> 1.79 60 foot 1/8 mile 6.60 @ 107 ... second pass was Second run> 1.69 60 foot 6.56@ 114.67.... My numbers today on the zx10 in the 1/8 mile were 6.57 @ 116 with a 1.75 60 foot .....As you can see they are about dead even !!!
My first trip 2 years ago to the 1/4 mile with my zx14 were 60 foot 1.72
330 4.356
1/8 6.46 @116.64
1000 feet 8.28
1/4 mile 9.82 @ 145.37
That first pass was a little quicker on the zx14 than my pass today on my zx10 but i had added a Muzzy pipe to the zx14 .. So it realy wasn't mod to mod test because of the added pipe ... So it looks to me that these two bikes are very close in stock trim ...
In the end my zx14 at stock wheel base did run a 9.18 @ 152 MPH but only after many many passes down the track as well as changing to a brocks pipe and map ...The seat time was the key to making the zx14 go fast ...I do feel the zx10 will match my zx14 times but just like my zx14 it will take a lot more seat time to get it done ... Smokin..
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jessejames82
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posted February 24, 2008 04:55 PM
Good Job Lee - I hope we can both win at prostar this year.....
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posted February 24, 2008 05:04 PM
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Good Job Lee - I hope we can both win at prostar this year.....
Jesse i wish you had been there ..You would have got a good laugh watching me ride that zx10 ... 
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posted February 24, 2008 05:04 PM
good info. thanks for sharing, but damn you guys and your 80 degrees!. I rode down the street for 10 minutes today with 4 layers of clothes on just to get my fix and I thought I had frostbite. it's in the 20's here. Dammit!
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posted February 24, 2008 05:07 PM
i know i wished i could have but i need money for prostar and MIR
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posted February 24, 2008 06:17 PM
glad to see you're human.... don't worry it won't last.... the cryptonite will wear off that seat soon enough. you are flying on the 10 congrats!
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posted February 24, 2008 06:41 PM
Good job anyways Smokin but I have to admit that I thought you were going to go low 9's to 8's myself but as you said, seat time.
Jesse, you coming to MIR (Maryland International Raceway)? That is my home track and it would be great to meet you man.
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zx14mike
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posted February 24, 2008 07:55 PM
Smokin, how were you launching the ZX 10, were you launching at like 7500 and sliding the clutch?
I would imagine that the lack of lowend power and tall gearing would neccessitate a completely different technique than the 14...............I never actually rode a 1000 but i've watched and raced a few and they look like they launch kinda like a a 250 2 stroke MXer.
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posted February 24, 2008 07:58 PM
Jesse, you didnt race your turbo today??????????
I was really anxious for some times!
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posted February 24, 2008 08:13 PM
no i didnt I am putting it back to 60'' cause i want to run real and true street.. and it needs some more dyno time
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smokinzx14
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posted February 24, 2008 08:21 PM
Picture from today
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posted February 24, 2008 08:33 PM
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Smokin, how were you launching the ZX 10, were you launching at like 7500 and sliding the clutch?
I would imagine that the lack of lowend power and tall gearing would neccessitate a completely different technique than the 14...............I never actually rode a 1000 but i've watched and raced a few and they look like they launch kinda like a a 250 2 stroke MXer.
I'm just not sliding the clutch like it needs ..I have been tossing my zx14 clutch at 5000 for so long it has become a habit ....I tried 7500 but just went 12:00 , you can see the start of that wheely in the picture i just posted ..lol... What the bike needs just like my 05 zx10 needed is some lower gears ...I wasn't getting out of first till 100 MPH !!! That's just to damn tall for drag racing ... Like i said i will just have to learn to side the clutch .. I was getting pretty good on my 05 zx14 ( 6.20 @ 120 ) But i had to have the zx14 so i traded it in before i good really good on it ...Smokin..
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posted February 24, 2008 09:25 PM
So I take it that I will see you at stunt wars this year Lee? You pull some nice wheelies. 
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posted February 24, 2008 09:26 PM
Man Jessie you are going to be a force to deal with on the true street category but have fun holding her down!
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posted February 24, 2008 11:35 PM
Smokin said "I'm just not sliding the clutch like it needs ..I have been tossing my zx14 clutch at 5000 for so long it has become a habit ....I tried 7500 but just went 12:00 , you can see the start of that wheely in the picture i just posted ..lol... What the bike needs just like my 05 zx10 needed is some lower gears ...I wasn't getting out of first till 100 MPH !!! That's just to damn tall for drag racing ... Like i said i will just have to learn to side the clutch .. I was getting pretty good on my 05 zx14 ( 6.20 @ 120 ) But i had to have the zx14 so i traded it in before i good really good on it ...Smokin.. "
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Thats what I figured, I just just toss the clutch on my 14 also at between 4000-5000 but i know that wouldnt work on a small bike. what are you gonna try with gearing, one down in the front and one up in the back ?
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posted February 24, 2008 11:56 PM
Sorry, i guess my post wasnt very clear, i assumed that you were tossing the clutch like we do on the 14.................i was really ASKING if you think sliding the clutch at 7500 will work on the 10. since the smaller bikes with less lowend and tall gearing seem to like that technique more than the quick toss of the clutch and WOT.
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posted February 25, 2008 12:01 AM
Those 10's sure are wheelie machines though, at the strip i go to theres a couple of hotdogs that run 10.7's-10.8's riding wheelies down the entire strip and thats at like 4000 feet.
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posted February 25, 2008 06:11 AM
I was able to beat Lee today!  I have a feeling he will start cutting those times down this Wednesday night at Sunshine. Won't have to wait 2 hours between runs and neither of us have been riding good at Bradenton for a while now. Lee since you back on a short bike and Jessie is going short I'm taking mine back to 64". I ran my best 1/4 mile at that length and haven't been able to touch it with all the mods since. Came close yesterday but my 60's suck.
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posted February 25, 2008 06:14 AM
nightmare are you going to race at valdosa in real street...
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posted February 25, 2008 06:16 AM
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Good job anyways Smokin but I have to admit that I thought you were going to go low 9's to 8's myself but as you said, seat time.
Jesse, you coming to MIR (Maryland International Raceway)? That is my home track and it would be great to meet you man.
No i plan to race a few at the rock it is just to fair unless i get help (sponserships) i have to pay for everything so maryland is to far away right now at least who know though...
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posted February 25, 2008 06:35 AM
Edited By: dubious on 25 Feb 2008 06:50
Good post Smokin.
The MPH is in the hunt so the power to weight ratio is right there.
I knew this bike was going to be fast with all the technical changes.
I think you would agree, arm and lower gearing probably would be the best 2nd choice for mods after lowering ...
Hard to put stock power down already... LOL
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posted February 25, 2008 06:35 AM
So Lee..... You are following the owners manual on break in...right?
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posted February 25, 2008 09:57 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 25 Feb 2008 10:02
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So Lee..... You are following the owners manual on break in...right?
break in is done at 34 miles ..  Uncrate it and slap that puppy on the ass and you are good to go ....lol...
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posted February 25, 2008 10:01 AM
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Sorry, i guess my post wasnt very clear, i assumed that you were tossing the clutch like we do on the 14.................i was really ASKING if you think sliding the clutch at 7500 will work on the 10. since the smaller bikes with less lowend and tall gearing seem to like that technique more than the quick toss of the clutch and WOT.
Yes i think sliding the clutch will work for the zx10 ..Getting my hand and mind to do it is the problem ...
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posted February 25, 2008 10:06 AM
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I was able to beat Lee today! I have a feeling he will start cutting those times down this Wednesday night at Sunshine. Won't have to wait 2 hours between runs and neither of us have been riding good at Bradenton for a while now. Lee since you back on a short bike and Jessie is going short I'm taking mine back to 64". I ran my best 1/4 mile at that length and haven't been able to touch it with all the mods since. Came close yesterday but my 60's suck.
Teddy i got the 16 tooth today and i'm dropping the bike a little more today .... Going to do an oil change Tuesday and be ready for Weds night ..Looks like Weds we are only going to have a high of 61 deg !!!!
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