smokinzx14
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posted February 01, 2008 06:41 PM
Topic: ZX14 cases and removable block
Jay at APE is thinking about making ZX14 cases and removable block.... Go to Psychobike Forums and add your vote .... Vote hell yes we want it ..>>> http://psychobike.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=c8ca19e082a23848cf6c77bd1c3e2d79;act=ST;f=43;t=56710;st=0;r=1;&#entry694404
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b03818
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posted February 01, 2008 09:18 PM
What do you mean by removable block?
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KZScott
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posted February 01, 2008 09:43 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 1 Feb 2008 21:57
cylinder block is not part of the case. lets you add a spacer plate for strokers
i put in my comment on the psycho board 
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entropy
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posted February 01, 2008 11:12 PM
to modify the existing cases maybe a grand (cut the cyl block off) + billet block & pistons another couple grand.
Benefit?
could use offset block, offset stroker crank (another $1500min), MAYBE competition for the big inch Busas.
Worth it?
SURE!!!
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b03818
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posted February 02, 2008 12:05 AM
You mean to tell me that the cases and the block are all one peice? I could understand from an engineering point it would make a stronger package, but for the aftermarket and maintenance it would be a nightmare plus expensive or would it?
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entropy
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posted February 02, 2008 04:22 AM
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You mean to tell me that the cases and the block are all one peice? I could understand from an engineering point it would make a stronger package, but for the aftermarket and maintenance it would be a nightmare plus expensive or would it?
For aftermarket, having a single piece upper half of the cases/cyl block is a pain.
gotta be much cheaper to manufacture. Maybe why all car motors do it???
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ninja12
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posted February 02, 2008 05:39 AM
cbr900rr, gsxr1000, R1 and zx10 all have a one piece design ,but it a big negative when it come to building or cyclinder damage.
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smokinzx14
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posted February 02, 2008 07:19 AM
This is one of the reasons people will not buy a zx14 ...If the new block is not to costy it could level the playing field...It should also help zx14 sales if guys know about a strong after market support ....The zx14 could end up 30 years from now like the old KZ1000 that are still used at tracks all over the USA..
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RobMuzzy
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posted February 02, 2008 08:05 AM
I think there is some mis understanding here. Jay was talking about billet cases and block. If you guys are saying that you would buy something like this we will make them. There is no way to modify the stock engine cases to a removable cylinder.
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zx12mark
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posted February 02, 2008 10:28 AM
why not just build a prostock or top fuel bike.they have nothing to do with a stock bike.
once you replace the oem engine you have a one off engine.put a turbo or supercharger on it and blast off.
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1badvespa1400cc
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posted February 02, 2008 12:31 PM
Yeah somebody needs to get on top of that!!!
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ninja12
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posted February 03, 2008 06:19 AM
Edited By: ninja12 on 3 Feb 2008 06:19
billet oil pan $800 , anyone want to guess at what billet cases and block would cost?
I'll bet $4000 min, but should come in different bores so you save $4-500.
I'd be interested in a rough estimate before getting to excited.
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Bently
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posted February 03, 2008 10:10 AM
IMO won't sell many as I agree it's going to be costly and there's nothing wrong with the stock set up just takes a little more time to put big bore kits in. I suppose if you where running a combo where it needed rebuilt every 20 to 30 passes it would be alot easier having two piece.
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b03818
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posted February 03, 2008 04:38 PM
I see why our buddy with the zx12 was so hurt when he saw how easy it was for us to change our spark plugs. He could not even find his, just standing there looking pittyful with his wrenchs.
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zx12mark
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posted February 03, 2008 05:57 PM
Edited By: zx12mark on 3 Feb 2008 17:58
i can change my plugs on my zx12r in 1/2 hour tops.the first time i had the valve cover off i pitched that plastic peice of fuck cover on top of it away.hell i only change the plugs every 4 years.25000 miles.i'm getting ready to yank the engine to rebuild the transmission.1st time the engine is coming off since new 2000.i'll check the valves the easy way this time.
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