blackbullet76
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posted January 18, 2008 11:40 AM
When yall say stock, do you mean "as it comes from the factory" or does that mean bolt-on performance parts with no internal mods done?
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b03818
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posted January 18, 2008 11:56 AM
You have to take into account what all has been done. That means weight, engine work the whole nine yards. You can take less hp with less weight and run right beside more hp and more weight. Yeah you can make a 600 haul azz but what "all" do you have to do to get it there.
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flyboy
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posted January 18, 2008 03:00 PM
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Steve,
It states it in the FIM World record book.
Besides, Brock got over 200 last year at Maxton on the 14. BobC and his buddy did over 204 mph in England last year on a stock engine 14.
One other point regarding my records--The strip at Maxton is only 220 ft. above sea level and it's a paved surface. Do you ever wonder why Bike manufactors will only bring their bikes out to Maxton to go after top speed numbers and never bring them to Bonneville?The density altitude during Brocks runs was about 500 ft. above sea level. The density altitude when I set my records was 6,700 ft. I was running on 12-15% less horsepower than Brock's new Busa and I did 195 mph (on Brock's exhaust I might add). And that was running both directions for a mile. Math junkies tell me that would have been 205 to 210 mph at sea level. If Brock had run his new Busa during those same conditions he might have broken 191 mph. The older Busa's were only doing around 185 mph that week.
After reading Brock's diary I can only conclude that Brock was either given a lemon or the "new and improved Busa" is an aerodynamic Edsel. Anyway, the 14 is still the fastest (top speed) no matter what any magazine says. You guys have a great bike--
Have you ever ran at Maxton? I'm guessing not. If you HAD ran at Maxton, you'd know that speeds at Bonneville and Maxton speeds are NOT that different. See, Bonneville you're fighting the traction and elevation but you have miles and miles of distance to get up to speed. Maxton has better traction (but not good either... it's full of dirt and potholes) and is close to sealevel.... BUT YOU ONLY HAVE 1 MILE to get up to speed!
Ask anyone who's ran at both bonneville AND maxton with the same bike, their speeds are very similar at both events. They are two different animals, but neither has a clear advantage over the other in terms of speed.
Do I think 202+mph is impressive for a 200rwhp Busa with Lee riding? Hell no. My personal 1287cc ZX-12R ran 205.6mph with only 195rwhp at Maxton, just a couple hours after Lee's 202+mph pass. Heck, the 1350cc all motor record is 214.7mph at Maxton, done on an 00' 1348cc Busa by ACE PERFORMANCE.
What IS impressive is the fact that it's a stock engine.
BTW, the guys in England run with 20+mph tailwinds and 1.6mi distance.... everytime. Give Brock's Busa and Lee another 0.6 miles and a big tailwind.... he would have gone 209+mph easily.
Try and keep things in perspective buddy....
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Get with the program. We are talking about unopened stock engines. And yes I know airstrips are built utilizing the prevailing winds. I am a 1,600 hr pilot. That is why I regard airstrip speeds records with a grain of salt. Each venue has to have their own separate speed records. One cannot compare apples and oranges. The ECTA/SCTA/BNI have it right. The best place to have a showdown is the strip at Kennedy Space Center. I will call them tomorrow for available times. The shuttle will have to wait--
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b03818
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posted January 18, 2008 07:49 PM
I have always wondered why top speed runs are always ran on some crappy corse. Come on salt and a grassy cracked side walk!
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bigdtd
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posted January 19, 2008 07:44 PM
we got one smooth bridge and you can get a down hill start if you want, no curves weeds or side roads, just watch for helicopters before you twist it
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b03818
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posted January 19, 2008 08:48 PM
Hell I had that back home. Loved the straigt aways. Sometimes fresh pavement too.
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lietoome
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posted January 19, 2008 10:36 PM
take it to the Texas Mile in Goliad, TX. Very nice runway with no wind advantage.
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