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posted January 16, 2008 03:59 PM
 Edited By: Blaze on 16 Jan 2008 16:40
Summary of 08 ZX-14 vs 08 Busa in MCN Feb issue
Summary of 2008 ZX-14 verses 2008 Hayabusa in February, 2008 issue of Motorcycle Consumer News.
Powertrain: Hayabusa (low end torque)
Chassis: Tie
Suspension: ZX-14
Brakes: Hayabusa. Both are capable of over 1.0G of deceleration. Best 60-0 distances: Busa 111.7' ZX-14 119.8'
Handling: Tie
Ergonomics: ZX-14
Riding Impression: Tie
Instrumentation: Tie
Value: Tie
Performance, using NHRA correction factors for altitude:
0-60 Busa 2.78 ZX-14 2.78
0-100 Busa 5.20 ZX-14 5.35
ΒΌ mile Busa 9.77 / 145.97 ZX-14 9.83 / 143.44
Overall: Essentially a tie
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posted January 16, 2008 04:36 PM
I'm surprised at the brakes, seems my 14's brakes were still better then the Busa's. The new Busa is night and day better then the old, but don't seem as strong to me as the 14. And to me the handlling goes to the Busa for my weight but maybe not someone lighter.
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posted January 16, 2008 04:41 PM
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I'm surprised at the brakes, seems my 14's brakes were still better then the Busa's. The new Busa is night and day better then the old, but don't seem as strong to me as the 14. And to me the handlling goes to the Busa for my weight but maybe not someone lighter.
don't you know better than to compare yours vs the motorcycle gods report on testing....dayummmmmmmmmmmm boyyyyyyyyyyyy
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posted January 16, 2008 04:54 PM
I own a 07 zx-14 and an 08 Busa.My two cents would be,
zx-14 brakes,lights,instrumentation,less vibration,and comfort.
Busa tranny,better turn in,and just a hair more power.
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posted January 16, 2008 04:56 PM
Man I am so interested in which bike handles the best after a suspension tuner has set 'em up acording to a persons weight. My '06 ZX14 wouldn't rate it was so silly soft, but I'm reading the new ZX14 is better in the back and better fork motion under hard braking in the front.
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posted January 16, 2008 04:59 PM
I wonder if removing the flies would change the outcome of the 0-100 roll on at all?? and I wonder what gear they were started in. That seems like a fairly good comparison If you notice the busa wins all the Factual actual numbers but the 14 either wins or ties in the ones that are opinion
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posted January 16, 2008 05:11 PM
I was suprized about the brakes also , i felt the zx14 would win that one hands down ... And on the handling the busa would have won hands down .....
On to the bottom end power ?? Why did it tie 0 to 60? That should have been a loss for the zx14 with flys in place but both ran it in 2.78
I still think it's up to the rider....... Pick the one you like and go riding .. 
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posted January 16, 2008 05:16 PM
Get both lifes short!!!!!!
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serius blk
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posted January 16, 2008 06:03 PM
so the new busa must handle way better than the old. To me the old busa was extremely heavy down low. The 14 seemed more nimble and easier to turn and lean. I thought the new busa had but a few changes. If it rides any thing like the old i would still prefer the 14.
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posted January 16, 2008 06:13 PM
Edited By: FASTESTbusaAROUND on 16 Jan 2008 18:17
I'm also surprised about the brakes -- that's a very substantial difference and I'd have thought nothing could beat the 14's brakes. Handling out of the crate, ya I can see that...ZX14 isn't setup for more than touring, but I'd bet at least equal once tuned. 0-100 -- too close to really mention, but the 14 runs very rich up top to start with.
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duncan
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posted January 16, 2008 06:16 PM
The new busa feels like a totally diferent bike. I didn't think there would be that big of a difference until I through a leg over it. They{zuki} had to improve some things, kawi raised the bar in 06.
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posted January 16, 2008 07:05 PM
A couple of these categories had too be bogus. The only thing they gave hands down to the 14 was the ergoes and suspension, so how was the overall still a tie?! How is it the Busa stops 8 feet shorter in a 60-0 braking than the 14 when the 14 has the best brakes out there on any sport/sport touring bike? Even the fellows with the 08 Busa that have ridden the 14 are surprised by this. Bogus!
Performance:
If Kaw would take those damn useless flys out and not have the bike overly rich from the factory, this bike would really rock in every category, from the 0-60, 0-100 and the 1/4 mile. Everybody bitched about the flys in 06 and 07, so what did Kaw do, the put the damn things back in again. They progressed in one area, (the head work) but take away in another area, (the flys). That's so contradictory. The Busa will continue to have more lower end torque and power as long as Kaw continue on with these restrictions. Kaw is under achieving too much again, just like they did trying to make the 12 as good as the busa in performance. Shit, let loose and let the 14 have it's full potential instead of half stepping on such a great bike.
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posted January 16, 2008 07:08 PM
the mags favor the bike whose maker gives the most $$$$$$$$
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posted January 16, 2008 07:13 PM
Well the only thing about the brakes is I think we all assume the front brake, but maybe together front and rear the Busa does stop better, I can't say for sure because I rarely ever use the rear brake. I know the 14's front brake felt stronger then my 08 Busa. And they should not even rate the ergos cause everbodys different. i hardly notice any difference between the two bikes. and bottom line which ever one you choose you can't go wrong. Both awsome machines and without one we would not have the other.
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posted January 16, 2008 07:13 PM
The flies actually open now at low RPM's on the 08 14, but not fully.
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posted January 16, 2008 08:24 PM
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A couple of these categories had too be bogus. The only thing they gave hands down to the 14 was the ergoes and suspension, so how was the overall still a tie?! How is it the Busa stops 8 feet shorter in a 60-0 braking than the 14 when the 14 has the best brakes out there on any sport/sport touring bike? Even the fellows with the 08 Busa that have ridden the 14 are surprised by this. Bogus!
Performance:
If Kaw would take those damn useless flys out and not have the bike overly rich from the factory, this bike would really rock in every category, from the 0-60, 0-100 and the 1/4 mile. Everybody bitched about the flys in 06 and 07, so what did Kaw do, the put the damn things back in again. They progressed in one area, (the head work) but take away in another area, (the flys). That's so contradictory. The Busa will continue to have more lower end torque and power as long as Kaw continue on with these restrictions. Kaw is under achieving too much again, just like they did trying to make the 12 as good as the busa in performance. Shit, let loose and let the 14 have it's full potential instead of half stepping on such a great bike.
I fixed those probs with my newly accquired 14 by pulling the flies, remapping with a pc and adding a tre to get rid of the low end timing restrictions. And yes it is a whole new bike 
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posted January 16, 2008 08:54 PM
Edited By: FASTESTbusaAROUND on 16 Jan 2008 20:57
You added a TRE and removed the flies??? You like pissing money away and losing your GPS indicator?    
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posted January 16, 2008 08:59 PM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 16 Jan 2008 21:00
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You added a TRE and removed the flies??? You like pissing money away and losing your GPS indicator?
Hey someone has to buy them TREs or Ivan will not be able to eat ...lol...
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posted January 16, 2008 09:01 PM
They have a TRE with flies out.. I have that one ..Its new..
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posted January 16, 2008 09:28 PM
Edited By: FASTESTbusaAROUND on 16 Jan 2008 21:29
For popping on decel -- it's old and I'll pop if I can keep the GPS indicator. Does ZERO for power...
Oh I forgot -- it's got a 1 cent resistor in it that sells for $70.000 shipped! 
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posted January 16, 2008 10:15 PM
^ :lol:
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posted January 17, 2008 02:02 AM
Yeah the tre on the 14 is a waste!! On a ZX10 or a suzuki that is a different story but it HELPS NOTHING ON THE 14 there is no TIMING RESTRICTION on the 14
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posted January 17, 2008 05:53 AM
Is the "no timing restriction" down low a 100% fact for the '08?
I thought Kawi had played with the timing on the '08's???
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posted January 17, 2008 06:16 AM
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For popping on decel -- it's old and I'll pop if I can keep the GPS indicator. Does ZERO for power...
Oh I forgot -- it's got a 1 cent resistor in it that sells for $70.000 shipped!
+1
the 1 cent resistor called a "TRE" is a total joke!
maybe its the plastic case they put it in that drives cost 
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posted January 19, 2008 05:16 AM
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They progressed in one area, (the head work)
The 06/07 and 08 cylinder head ports are the same.
Any difference in performance isnt from the head.
I think the exhaust system is a better design, and thats where the increase in power is coming from.
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