qwick
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posted January 15, 2008 07:27 AM
Sorry Kawboy, I don't have any pics of the 08.
  
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kimski2001
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posted January 15, 2008 07:37 AM
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I hope its just the muffler part thats diff, from the original street meg. I have my 02 senser in the mid pipe on my bikes and dont want to have to redue the new ones. I am defenitly going to try one of the shortys. I would have installed the alein but i didnt like the semi triangle look at all. Also i dont know if any of you guys have found that the s-meg makes more torque than any pipe we have tryed.I have tested almost every ex out there,and even the sidewinders dont make as much torque.Granted we have spent a lot of dyno time on getting the a/f and e.g.t just rite for mapping but i have tryed it all on the other ex too.[ I copied brents shorty just after he posted his bike because i liked it so much and guess what more torque], It looks like brocks new ex may be even shorter, Can't wait to try it on the 06 without changing anything else at first. bill
are you saying by shortening the smeg up you gained torque?
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02zx12rbob
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posted January 15, 2008 08:24 AM
 Edited By: 02zx12rbob on 15 Jan 2008 08:28
Does the shorty have the removable baffle also ? BTW.. has anybody run the smeg with the baffle out (at the track/dyno) with the baffle out maps ? was wondering...
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lietoome
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posted January 15, 2008 02:34 PM
Just from looking at the pics, I'd say yes, it has a baffle. It looks like the only difference between the smeg and the shorty is the length and bend of the midpipe...
I believe smokin ran the smeg without the baffle and said it made little or no difference.
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 15, 2008 03:19 PM
It makes sense that a shorter pipe would make more torque in the mid and lower range, the trade off should be a few ponies up top.
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FASTESTbusaAROUND
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posted January 15, 2008 04:22 PM
Edited By: FASTESTbusaAROUND on 15 Jan 2008 16:25
I think it's the other way around BM...longer pipe=more bottom end. I could be wrong; it's happened once or twice b4. 
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Wheelie
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posted January 15, 2008 04:29 PM
Edited By: Wheelie on 15 Jan 2008 17:09
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I think it's the other way around BM...longer pipe=more bottom end. I could be wrong; it's happened once or twice b4.
you are correct fba
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Jason Gillum
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posted January 16, 2008 10:36 AM
Guys,
Hello. My name is Jason Gillum. Brock and my father grew up together here in Dayton as kids and Brock was at the hospital when I was born. I began working with Brock in 2004 in the shipping department. I left to attend MMI in Phoenix where I recently graduated (with honors). I have now returned to Brock's where he is training me in the art of GOING FAST and making sure our customers do the same. Brock explained to me how important the Bikeland forums are to him and our company. He said Bikeland is basically the voice of the ZX-14 following world wide and asked me to watch the posts and let him know if you needed him. He is the busiest he has ever been because of our move, trying to get the new location up and running properly in preparation for the 2008 season.
Answers to your questions:
Have we performed any tests on the 08 zx-14?
-Yes, we have had limited testing on our 08 ZX-14. We are unable to give numbers at this time because the testing that has been done is not complete. We always strive to perform the most thorough and fair testing possible---this takes time. We hope to post HP and TQ numbers soon. We have less than 60 dyno miles on the bike right now and the results are already very good...it would not be fair to post them as they would naturally be compared to the previous 2006 ZX-14 and 2008 Hayabusa results. Brock insists that will provide "apples to apples comparisons or nothing"----so for now he says you have to settle for nothing. Sorry
Will the system fit the 08?
-Yes. But until we finish the mapping, we will only be able to give you a temporary map as our 06 mapping is useless for the 08. FYI: our 06 mapping took MONTHS to create and perfect. We intend to have all of our 14 maps perfected by the beginning of the 2008 bike season (early March)
Right turn ground clearance?
-The short Meg sticks out just about the same as your foot peg. If you hit corners hard and scrape pegs then you may have an issue. This pipe was developed for the guys, and girls, who like the look of the Alien Head system but want to pull the baffle out for nitrous, racing, or VERY loud sound. There really is no room to bring the muffler in any tighter because of swing arm clearance.
If you have any more questions post them or email me at Jason@Brockracing.com
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qwick
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posted January 16, 2008 12:07 PM
Thanks for addressing those questions Jason. Should we expect the pipes to be released in about two weeks or so?
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Kountry Kawboy
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posted January 16, 2008 01:03 PM
Way to go Jason, I'm sure Brock appreciates you. Welcome to the forum. As you see we are an impatient bunch but we understand that it's worth the wait to get the striaght scoop from Brock's Performance. Please overlook the occasional snide comments about the hi-ya-buster. Its all in sport.
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lietoome
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posted January 16, 2008 02:27 PM
Brock's never ceases to amaze me. I'm a customer for life. Congrats on the Honors from MMI, it speaks volumes for your skills. Thanks for keeping us posted, look forward to hearing from you and Brock in the future.
Thanks
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kawpower
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posted January 16, 2008 04:02 PM
Brocks smeg was the best looking exhaust on the 14 util i saw the new muzzy gp exhaust for the 14 . my 2 cts
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fastest-14
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posted January 16, 2008 07:16 PM
That shorty Smeg looks good on Brock"s Busa the way the fairing surround it.
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rideharder
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posted January 16, 2008 08:40 PM
Edited By: rideharder on 16 Jan 2008 20:56
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Jason Gillum
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posted January 17, 2008 06:05 AM
Guys,
The pipes should be in within the next couple of weeks.
Sorry about the wait,
Jason Gillum
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qwick
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posted February 14, 2008 09:08 AM
Full availability April 08. The first initial small batch of the Short Megs will be ready in just a few weeks for those of you who are interested.
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Kawboy14
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posted February 14, 2008 04:28 PM
Hey Jason or anyone that knows which exhaust makes the most Hp. The Alien Head or Short SMEG and what separate the two exhaust besides the muffler
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fast4teen
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posted February 14, 2008 09:06 PM
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Hey Jason or anyone that knows which exhaust makes the most Hp. The Alien Head or Short SMEG and what separate the two exhaust besides the muffler
If you want the most HP buy a Muzzy. Why? moreXP and development. muzzy knows how to create horsepower better than anyone they make their own stuff and supply their own maps
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ZXLNT
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posted February 15, 2008 03:47 AM
Its pretty much been shown that the Brock pipes are making more power than the Muzzy's. Look how many Brock exhausts are on bikes compared to Muzzy, and Brocks customer support and developement is second to NONE.....
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bigwillie3236
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posted February 17, 2008 06:36 AM
Both pipes look great,but Brock seems to be selling more .
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Kawboy14
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posted February 17, 2008 08:20 PM
Has anyone done a back to back dyno test with muzzy and brock just wondering with the same bike? I know dyno # doesn't win races but i guess some people just like to have the big dyno # to show off in the parking lot. But i think Ti-Force is a exhaust that is being over looked by many. I have seen some big number from the few guys that have the Ti-Force exhaust. I haven't seen any 14 at the track with Ti-Force but then again In MD where i live its all Suz.. If the Ti-Force had a deeper sound and shorter can(but a saw can fix the shorter can problem) i would have to choose between the Alien Head and Ti-Force
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majorzx14
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posted February 17, 2008 08:28 PM
The new muzzy gp pipe looks like a lot of RD went into that pipe. Looks like its made for the 14.
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qwick
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posted February 21, 2008 06:20 AM
BW, Brock's Short Meg should be available very soon, if you haven't made your mind up yet.
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qwick
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posted February 21, 2008 06:30 AM
Edited By: qwick on 21 Feb 2008 06:41
Seems to me that most of the R&D on the Muzzy M-10 pipe went into the look and appearance, not horsepower... and if not, then why would Muzzy be working so hard to release a new head pipe, that still uses the same muffler??? Sounds to me like they're trying to catch up with the competition on horsepower. And I'm not bashing the Muzzy pipe, it does look good, but that doesn't win races! I agree with Kawboy... a back to back dyno test would surely answer the question on horsepower output from both pipes. My bet would be on Brock though.
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bigdtd
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posted February 21, 2008 04:38 PM
i think smokin solved the back to back testing argument long ago, both guys make great pipes but the brock pipes came out on top, those were some hot threads on this forum.
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