jdrill04
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posted December 13, 2007 07:07 AM
hooking up trouble
I put the bike at 64" . i did not adjust the shock or the lowering links, from what it was at ,at stockwheel base. i weigh about 150 suited. i went to the track and could not get the bike to do nothing but spin.i have the shinko ultra soft tire also. i was just wondering if anyone had to adjust there shock any when they streatched there bike . it seems like i need to make it softer. any info on making it hook would be helpful. thanks
  
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posted December 13, 2007 07:18 AM
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posted December 13, 2007 08:14 AM
If your track is prepped right, you will need to lower your rear air pressure down to at least 15lbs. Smokin is 150lbs suited and has no trouble hooking with the Shinko. Tire pressure is major to get the bike to hook!
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posted December 13, 2007 11:42 AM
I started at 20 psi and ended up at 12 psi with still no luck. thanks
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posted December 13, 2007 11:55 AM
Well then either your track sux or your too quick on the clutch. A lot of drag racers on here. One of the 14 owner's should be along shortly to tell you what your doing wrong, if anything. Some days the track just doesn't work.
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posted December 13, 2007 01:50 PM
How long of a burnout are you doing?? do you have to much gear fo your size?? you should be no lower then 16/42 but some people go lower without traction problems at your weight... The shock should be plenty soft, is the bike squatting good on takeoff, WHat rom are you leaving at? I leave at around 4500 Smokin, who is about your size, leaves around 5500 I think... If yo9u have the front strapped try unstrapping it and see if that helps. and if all of these fail CHECK AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE U-SOFT!! the make a 003 shinko that is not the ultra soft and it looks identical to the U-Soft, the usoft should say usoft on the sidewall
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jdrill04
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posted December 13, 2007 02:43 PM
i leave at about 4000 to 5000 rpm. i also do have the front straped, and it is always pretty tight. i am also runninr the ultra soft shinko. but i think the problem is it is worn out i need to replace it. do you think it would be better to go to the mickey thompson tire.
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posted December 13, 2007 02:45 PM
i am also still at stock gearing
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posted December 13, 2007 02:47 PM
with that much stretch, you should be plenty soft on the shock. Is anyone else at the track having the same issues? Gearing, psi, tire warmth, throttle/clutch, stetch & height and track prep... there are a lot of variables, tell us more. My u-soft hooks on an shitty track that has very little prep. I'd talk to the guys that are hooking up, they can probablly give you a real good idea what you need to do to get it to hook.
strap the front too, it sounds like you are already squating on the rear tire. Try to get the bike leveled out. I'm no expert, but my tire hooked much better when I strapped the front after I extended it. ************JUST KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR DRAINPLUG so it doesn't get ripped off the bottom of your pan...it will really screw up your evening.
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posted December 13, 2007 03:44 PM
Leave the shock alone ...DO lower the bike to the lowest spot on the lowering links ..
Jesse and myself are set up the same way and have worn our shinkos complete bald and it still hooks .. Either your track sucks big time or you not having it lowered is the problem ...
You are sliding the clutch out and not just poping it out at 5000 ?
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jdrill04
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posted December 13, 2007 06:12 PM
yeah i am taking off the same way i was at stock wheel base still i haven't got use to it being streatched yet. maybe i am just getting in a hurry to see some change i will give it a few more times at the track. thanks alot guys.
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posted December 14, 2007 01:44 PM
If I have traction problems the first thing I want to do is change a lot of stuff. Try to go with the same set up again you may be surprised. I think you are ballpark on everything as far as your set up so I would lean toward track prep. Asking around can be misleading, the guy may take a different groove and hook great and you are still spinning and it is still the track not your set up.
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BlackMagic14
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posted December 14, 2007 03:52 PM
Smokin, not to question the great one, LOL but the lower the bike the more likely it is to spin and the less likely to wheelie... I have always heard this and found it to be true but I could be wrong.
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posted December 14, 2007 04:11 PM
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Smokin, not to question the great one, LOL but the lower the bike the more likely it is to spin and the less likely to wheelie... I have always heard this and found it to be true but I could be wrong.
questions are a good thing....... i was just pointing out the differences between my bike and his....smokin
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posted December 15, 2007 10:44 PM
I sure dont know as much about making a bike hook as you us 280 pound guys dont really have traction problems LOL we have a different kind of problem FINDING LEATHERS THAT FIT OUR FAT ASSES LMAO
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posted December 16, 2007 04:12 AM
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duncan
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posted December 16, 2007 09:45 AM
Unstrap your front and that will transfer more weight to your rear.
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posted December 17, 2007 02:22 AM
I am not sure I agree with that approach, again everyone is different but many times a bike will spin due to too much weight transfer causing the shock to bottom out and then spring up too quick. I honestly think you should just take the bike to the track again before doing much. If you would feel more comfortable (like I do) I would lower the links to the bottom setting, strap the front end, set the tire between 15 and 18 psi. Good luck and be careful.
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posted December 17, 2007 04:21 AM
Help me out on this one....
Don't you want the bike lowered, but level? This is what has helped me the most. Before I got the front strap, the longer swingarm forced the rear to significantly sag. I had a lot of issues with hooking. Once I got a bit stiffer spring in the rear to compensate for the 9" extensions, it seemed to hook more consistently. Also, with the strap, I was able to level the bike out---now I'm much more consistent with my launches.
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posted December 17, 2007 06:42 AM
Smokin I do just about the same thing on my bike as jdrill does..I slide the clutch instead of popping the clutch...I ride it just like a stk.length bike.It shows to as the fastest I have been is a 6.00..I think the way I ride it I could go just as fast with it at stk.length..Hopefully next year I will be able to just pop the clutch..
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posted December 17, 2007 07:43 AM
There are different ways to get there.
1. very low with very little shock travel . must have firm shock and good grip, usually
low tire pressure to hook well. A good tire is a must.
2. longer shock travel, means the rear of bike was not initally low but will TRANSFER the weight to the rear on launch. The shock is softer and can be misleading if too soft because once you use up all the travel the bike will lift just like a too hard shock.
You can get away with much more tire pressure because of the transfer.
Perfect launch would result in total use of the travel WITHOUT any contact.
I've had my best luck with 2.
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posted December 17, 2007 08:42 AM
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Smokin I do just about the same thing on my bike as jdrill does..I slide the clutch instead of popping the clutch...I ride it just like a stk.length bike.It shows to as the fastest I have been is a 6.00..I think the way I ride it I could go just as fast with it at stk.length..Hopefully next year I will be able to just pop the clutch..
I was asking him if it was popping the clutch or sliding the clutch ...I was not telling him to pop the clutch ..That's why there was a question mark at the end of my statement .. If he is popping the clutch he IS going to spin no matter how good the track is ...I never pop the clutch , I side the clutch out ...
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posted December 18, 2007 12:42 PM
i need to get another tire do you think it would be better to goahead and get the mickey thompson, or stick with the shinko ultra soft. also will the mickey handle ok on the road thanks. i also appreciate all the input you guys have been giving me.
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posted December 18, 2007 01:07 PM
If you still want to ride your bike on the street then stay away from the Mickey. They cost twice as much and wear out 4 times as fast.
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posted December 18, 2007 02:04 PM
MCR2s only last for about 500 miles on the street. Don't go with the MCR1 Shinko's are better. Also, my last Shinko went to crap before the tread was all gone. The last bit of rubber was heat cycled so many times that it was hard and would not hook. I kept thinking that I was going to use every last bit of tread, but I basically wasted two sessions at the track trying to do so. If you don't go with the Shinko Usoft a lot of people are having success with the Michelins. I have one but I'm waiting for my Shinko to wear out, which could take awhile. I got a used road racing one for $80, the sides are worn out but the middle is perfectly good.
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