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johnbull


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posted December 07, 2007 10:54 AM        
ZX14 motor in a racecar!!

Guys,

I am swapping my ZX12 motor in my RACECAR for a ZX14 unit.

1. Re. exhaust, can anyone give me any advise whether or not to run an open exhaust?? (thats how i used to run the ZX12 motor but then again i never tried it with a can on so I dont really know if I was loosing power or not!

I race the car in hillclimbs and sprints which means steep hills and tight corners, therefore torque and throttle responce are extreemely important!

2. Since the airbox of this bike is part of the frame I have always run it without an airbox, adjusting the fuel map on the power commander as well as we could due to the fact that we cant put it on the dyno since the engine is in a car!! Is airbox and ram-air a definite must???

I am all the way from Malta by the way, which is a small island below Italy.

Looking forward to some info!!!!

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14black


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posted December 07, 2007 11:36 AM        
Cool, got any videos of the ZX12-powered car?
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johnbull


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posted December 07, 2007 01:06 PM        
Yep, take a look.

Onboard footage of one of this years winning runs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_npdJZgMI
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posted December 07, 2007 01:35 PM        
cool+1
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stevewfl


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posted December 07, 2007 09:51 PM        
quote:
Yep, take a look.

Onboard footage of one of this years winning runs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_npdJZgMI


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kc jr 54


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posted December 07, 2007 10:13 PM        
Thats awesome !!

You dont need to have an airbox, individual stacks will work fine. And an open exhaust will dont hurt your motor if things are tuned properly, it will hurt your throttle response and your torque though. You would have to be reving to the very end of your RPM range to feel any improvement. So think some sort of can would help. A wibe-band of some kinda would also help out quite a bit !!

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mike1024


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posted December 08, 2007 07:11 PM        
jesus christ you are THE man!
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posted December 08, 2007 10:05 PM        
That looks like alot of fun!!!

Sounds like your shifting with the clutch?...Im sure you have a billet clutch basket and how long does the clutch last?

What year ZX14 motor are you getting?

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14black


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posted December 09, 2007 10:33 AM        
Nice vid! What kind of speeds were you hitting on that track?
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johnbull


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posted December 09, 2007 02:54 PM        
Yep I'm using a muzzys clutch basket and yes I was just dabbing the clutch to shift up the gears there (naughty....)!!
Up untill now I havent actually had any problems with the clutch and its the standard unit other than the basket.... Speeds were probably about 120/125 mph max. on that road in the video.

Well, I'm still looking actually.....are there any major differences between the 06 & the 07 models, engine wise?????
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kc jr 54


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posted December 09, 2007 06:01 PM        
No, ZERO difference in the engine between 06 & 07.


Food for thought, a Pingle electric shift would be pretty awesome !!

(B/C i was thinking about doing the exact thing you are doing, i was going to utilize my pingle. Shifts both up AND down....though i dont know if your sanctioning body would allow that.)

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posted December 09, 2007 08:08 PM        
ZX14 inside...
(follow link and click on Videos, on bottom right)

http://www.go-t-rex.com/
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johnbull


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posted December 10, 2007 12:55 AM        
Well, most I would be allowed to use is a quickshifter to have flat out up changes, since the regulations dont permit air shifters or electronic.....gear change has to be completely manual!!

Another thing...what would you guys suggest me to run with the ZX14 motor,,flies out? or a G-pack, Gipro, TRE whatever??
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kc jr 54


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posted December 10, 2007 12:56 AM        
LMAO $50k !!!

BAH. Build something like John has; you have two rear tires and you will weigh substainly less then the T-Rex. I think the concept is cool, but it is nothing more then a rich kids toy.

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kc jr 54


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posted December 10, 2007 12:57 AM        
IMO Flies out. You already have the PC, and pulling the flies is free.
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johnbull


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posted December 10, 2007 01:41 AM        
No have sold the power commander with the ZX12 engine.

Will have to get one for the 14....have any of you guys played around with the ignition module at all on the ZX14?? Worth getting??
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flatoutbu


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posted December 10, 2007 10:43 AM        
pull the flies buy a pc3 mapped for a sidewinder and you should be set, tell them if you want to run pump gas or race gas when you buy the pc 3...you could also use something like a mps kill box just so you can blip the throttle by hand.....you also might consider a lock-up with the extra weight of the car....clutchs will last alot longer with one..
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johnbull


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posted December 11, 2007 07:52 AM        
Never heard of it......can you please explain what this mps box does exactly??

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kc jr 54


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posted December 11, 2007 08:45 AM        
MPS is a company you makes air-shifter kits and parts. They have a digi-kill box that is suppose to be pretty good.

But why would one need a 'kill-box' when blipping the throttle by 'hand' ? I think a dyno-jet quick shifter would do better at that.

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flatoutbu


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posted December 11, 2007 09:35 AM        
i was think more of a one hand shift type deal, You could mount a button on the shifter and blip it all at one time with no wasted motion. Or you could mount a button on the floor and blip it with your foot and just hold slight pressure on the shifter, either way would take a hell of alot less time than pushing in and out the clutch....every second counts. I use the MPS box on my 14 where it's hooked to the horn button. When/if i run out of air in the shifter all you have to do is hold slight pressure on the shift lever and hit the button and the bike pops into the next gear.

The mps box just kills the ignition for a set amount of time to pop it into the next gear. You use a small screwdriver to adjust how much kill time you want. When you hear dragbikes go down the track and you hear them pop when they shift, they have the kill time set to long and it's letting gas build up in the cyl and not ignite....
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flatoutbu


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posted December 11, 2007 09:42 AM        
plus... you could keep your left foot on the brake with out worrying about doing heel-toe manuvers....the car would basically be a "semi-automatic" after you let the clutch out....
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johnbull


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posted December 12, 2007 12:54 AM        
Thanks for the info. guys......actually I drove a car fitted with the dynojet quickshifter recently and was siutably impressed......clutchless shifting without letting your foot off the gas....and the good part is that its attached to the gear lever so it senses the slightest movement straight away.

I think I'll have to go for one of those.....theres no way you can shift that fast completely manually I dont think!!
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