dbeadling
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posted October 03, 2007 09:40 PM
lets get a 08 zx 1400 on the dyno
do the flies open early? is the timing retarded? is it the headwork?....what makes this thing tick? somebodys gotta know!
  
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dbeadling
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posted October 03, 2007 09:48 PM
somebody said 176 h/p for the zx 1400
thats 1 h/p more and 11 or 12 lbs more weight for the busa will that make it faster? somebody else said 195 h/p at the crank for the busa vs 190 h/p for the zx 1400..what will the air.... do for each bike.
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posted October 03, 2007 10:00 PM
splitting hairs... its all rider , they are all good bikes these days.
All rider IMO !
I like the fact that the Busa has the great benchracing reputation for me to smash!
The fact is that a good percentage of the busa owners have no clue how to ride as they bought the bike on its reputation and as another staus symbol to park in their garages.... thats fine as long as they park their mouths if they can't ride!
Competition is a good thing... but don't waste my time if ya got no game!
Can ya tell i hate motormouths? 
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KaiBosh
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posted October 04, 2007 01:00 AM
Dubious, the only reason you post is so you can show us that picture of your bike. Damn I hate you!! 
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posted October 04, 2007 04:36 AM
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LOL
for some reason my signatura always is attached at work, not even a anoption, no check box,
Yet at home I have the option of using the signature.... strange!
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posted October 04, 2007 08:59 PM
Edited By: sands on 4 Oct 2007 22:00
There's pros and cons for both bikes as I've thought about just about every detail to see what bike would be better suited for me...
In all honesty performance will be too close to call...The edge may go to the ZX14 in the 1/4 mile because of the clutch but everywhere else all things being equal it will probably be very very close....
So aside from performance the ZX14 may be the better bike for the average riding enthusiast for these reasons....
ZX14 is
easier to work on
more comfortable
excellent brakes
features on the gauges
Smooth engine
Hayabusa
IMHO a little sportier looking
better areodynamics (maybe)
Practically speaking, since performance is about equal the ZX14 is probably the better all around bike because of it's other advantages that can be added to the equation.
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sczx14socal
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posted October 04, 2007 09:13 PM
Why the stress off the neww Busa by now most zx14 owners atleast experienced owners have moded the shit out of the bikes, sad to say the one with the most money usually wins
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shane661
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posted October 05, 2007 03:46 AM
14 easier to work on than a 'Busa? Come on!
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ninja12
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posted October 05, 2007 10:02 AM
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Why the stress off the neww Busa by now most zx14 owners atleast experienced owners have moded the shit out of the bikes, sad to say the one with the most money usually wins
That's only true up to a point.
After a while It takes ALOT more money to make the KAW go faster.
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posted October 05, 2007 10:07 AM
Yes i agree!
The busa will be eaisier to work on, the zx14 has about 30 screws to remove to get to the entire engine.... my single biggest gripe....
The busa definately has the best aerodynamics, that was tested by one of the major rags couple of months ago, and it had all the bikes beat by a good margin.
The busa likely will have more torque since the kawi engine is more oversquare, old busa already had better flowing head, and almosty as good as spencer zx14 head.
With any luck the 08 zx14 head will be dramatically better.
If not .... the 14 owners will be having to open their wallets....
It will be really close, witht the zx14 edging out the busa in accelleration to 160 mph, and the busa edging out the zx14 in 160- 186 mph wher the aerodaynamics take effect,
roll ons will be interesting...
I love my zx14.
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posted October 05, 2007 10:38 AM
Update from Brock regarding the Busa:
Just bolting on the Gen 3 pipe on pump gas with no power commander. 193hp
I think numbers are already posted somewhere?
I do have a power commander, but I'm not going to post any type of final results until I get back to MY DYNO. My bike made 180 RWHP as a base here at Hindle vs. my 177.5 at home.....BUT- I added Alisyn <<0 oil at Atco....so I think the HP numbers here are right on.
We haven't even though about ANY other mods- good gas, remove air cleaner, ceramic bearing etc. We are just concentrating on making the most HP possible from the pipe only right now.
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posted October 05, 2007 11:36 AM
Really... the two bikes are both monsters and it will be down to experience as which one will dust the other. I happen to love the smooth ride from a Kawi and the look of a Kawi. I got a chance to ride a 07 Busa this summer and I was distressed by the buzz in the handlebars at high speeds, and I miss my "Cadillac" feeling ride of my Kawi. Perhaps it was just the bike I was riding... but it still flew regardless.
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posted October 05, 2007 11:36 AM
wow, 12 more rwhp with identical mods?
The new 14 head had better be better!
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posted October 05, 2007 05:51 PM
Doesn't look good for the 14...
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sands
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posted October 05, 2007 08:14 PM
Edited By: sands on 5 Oct 2007 21:19
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14 easier to work on than a 'Busa? Come on!
Ummmmm...Yes.....basic maintenance IS easier...For folks that are familiar with the design of both bikes, If I'm saying the ZX14 is easier to work on it doesn't take a study in particle physics to figure out what I mean and that I'm obviously not talking about major engine work...
Common sense.
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dubious
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posted October 05, 2007 08:20 PM
what are referring to then?
Changing tires, oil changes and braske pads etc... they are all the same for both bikes!
valve adjustments, spark plug changes are easier on the busa...
what maintenance are you refering to then?
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posted October 05, 2007 09:00 PM
I thought this topic was settled and the distinction was made between the zx14 and busa by what is meant by "easier to work on" a long time ago...
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posted October 05, 2007 10:26 PM
musta missed it...
carry on ......
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posted October 06, 2007 04:21 AM
i will say as well working on a Busa vs 14 the Busa is much easier, hell just try taking the air cleaner out of both bikes and tell me which one is easier. ofcoursw I don't know about the 08 Busa yet.
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posted October 06, 2007 06:17 AM
quote:
i will say as well working on a Busa vs 14 the Busa is much easier, hell just try taking the air cleaner out of both bikes and tell me which one is easier. ofcoursw I don't know about the 08 Busa yet.
try oil filters ...then tell me which is easier
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posted October 06, 2007 06:20 AM
the 14 has the easiest oil change on any vehicle i have owned
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posted October 06, 2007 07:31 AM
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