black14
Novice Class
Posts: 61
|
posted September 29, 2007 03:11 PM
Can't wait to see the results. I'm still confused, though. If the Suzuki makes 198 without ramair and the 14 makes 190 without, why are they only 1 hp apart?
  
|
shane661
Needs a life
Posts: 11494
|
posted September 29, 2007 03:11 PM
Regardless of the minor differences in weight and power, the new Busa will be stomping 14's in every venue soon enough. The aftermarket will insure that.
|
snarleybill
Parking Attendant
Posts: 7
|
posted September 29, 2007 03:20 PM
what exactly is a busa.i hear all these stories.but have only seen three of them.two on the street and one at the dealer.lots of them in magazines that look like steam rollers.must take most of there hp. to haul that dumb looking 360 down the strip.stay faithful to your kaw's they will reign as king in the long run.no meaner looking bike around. we kaw owners be bad to the bone. ps.kind of like yammers to. ole snarly
____________
don't take no wooden nickels
|
gstring
Expert Class
Posts: 105
|
posted September 29, 2007 05:04 PM
 Edited By: gstring on 29 Sep 2007 18:05
quote:
Um Unless I am missing something this isnt looking good for the busa guys Not taking anyhting away from Brock but if he rode the 14 to a 9.76 and Rickey got the same numbers on the Busa as Brock got on the 14 this could get ugly
Brock also went 9.98 on the new busa stock whereas gadson did 10.3 the same bike, even though Brock weighs more
|
black14
Novice Class
Posts: 61
|
posted September 29, 2007 05:46 PM
I bet we won't see any real stock to stock comparisons, since it seems that the busa needs some clutch changes to launch into 14 territory. We'll see what the magazines do like Motorcyclist, Cycle World, etc.
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 29, 2007 05:50 PM
quote:
Guys I have just heard some dyno numbers on the 08 14 and I am SWORN to secrecy but we will not be disappointed but neither will the busa guys... Same day same dyno within 1 HP of each other all the way across the board the good news is the weight on the fourteen is stated a LITTLE BIT high it is about 8 pounds lighter then the busa, SO i think the true test will be which bike responds better to SLIGHT modification i.e. pipe and pc
Cool keep us updated  Smokin...
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
Hawkman
Zone Head
Posts: 747
|
posted September 29, 2007 06:28 PM
quote:
quote:
So still less than the Busa, considering that the Busa was 198 WITHOUT Ram air...but if the TQ curve is stronger than the Busa...that could be serious gains. Do we know the TQ numbers on the 08 Busa?
I always read that the 198 was with Ram air. Is this a fact? or have I been misreading?
I've always read it to be 198 with Ram air also. I thought I just recently saw 194, though. Hmm... Where was that at? :-?
|
gstring
Expert Class
Posts: 105
|
posted September 29, 2007 06:37 PM
Edited By: gstring on 29 Sep 2007 19:42
quote:
i would have liked to see him take a showroom bike n not a suzuki press bike that way we know it is a production bike in the past manufacturers tend to tweak the press bikes[/quote
A showroom bike, a spanking new hayabusa WITH 0 MILES !!! has just been dynoed 175 hP so it seems that suzuki at least has not been tweaking the press bike but maybe kawasaki will.
after some 200 miles it will be closer to 180 hp 
here:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=121321.0
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted September 29, 2007 07:14 PM
"www.suzukihayabusa.org"
oh if your source is "read it on the Internet" it has to be true
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
gstring
Expert Class
Posts: 105
|
posted September 29, 2007 08:36 PM
Edited By: gstring on 29 Sep 2007 21:45
quote:
"www.suzukihayabusa.org"
oh if your source is "read it on the Internet" it has to be true
oh i forgot to tell you that its a bike forum and not all bike forums bullshit their own members.
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 29, 2007 09:46 PM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 29 Sep 2007 22:57
quote:
quote:
i would have liked to see him take a showroom bike n not a suzuki press bike that way we know it is a production bike in the past manufacturers tend to tweak the press bikes[/quote
A showroom bike, a spanking new hayabusa WITH 0 MILES !!! has just been dynoed 175 hP so it seems that suzuki at least has not been tweaking the press bike but maybe kawasaki will.
after some 200 miles it will be closer to 180 hp
here:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=121321.0
Gstring tell me why a 08 Busa would make 180 HP with 200 miles...When Brocks 08 busa made 177.50 with 475 miles ?? Is this a magic 180 hp 08 busa ?? Son you need to work on your math skills ....lol
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
black14
Novice Class
Posts: 61
|
posted September 29, 2007 09:49 PM
Did Brock get a ringer or did he buy from a dealer? Remember euro III?
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 29, 2007 10:07 PM
quote:
Did Brock get a ringer or did he buy from a dealer? Remember euro III?
No i don't think it's a ringer ...But it was broken in because it showed 474 miles on the speedo when Brock put it on the Dyno...Looks to me that Brock got one of the Press bikes and not a dealer bike .. Fish said the same thing happened at the press show for the 06 zx14 ... all the bike were broken in before they got to ride them...Does that make them ringers? I don't think so ...My zx14 has run the same numbers and faster as Press bikes did at Vegas..Smokin..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
KaiBosh
Novice Class
Posts: 66
|
posted September 29, 2007 10:29 PM
Let's face it, all the bikes in the factory are run up on a dyno if only for a moment, and most assuredly any that stand out a little are yoinked for a press fleet. That magic little %1 better random bike can be felt when they are pushed to the limits by expert riders. Of course *how* they are broken in is %99 of the rest of this story, but...
Awesome that the '08 models look to be so even - it will be a while before real world dyno numbers trickle down though. It would make perfect sense that a little more aggressive flies map would account for most of momma Kawi's doublespeak in the press release.
|
gstring
Expert Class
Posts: 105
|
posted September 29, 2007 11:26 PM
Edited By: gstring on 30 Sep 2007 00:31
quote:
quote:
quote:
i would have liked to see him take a showroom bike n not a suzuki press bike that way we know it is a production bike in the past manufacturers tend to tweak the press bikes[/quote
A showroom bike, a spanking new hayabusa WITH 0 MILES !!! has just been dynoed 175 hP so it seems that suzuki at least has not been tweaking the press bike but maybe kawasaki will.
after some 200 miles it will be closer to 180 hp
here:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=121321.0
Gstring tell me why a 08 Busa would make 180 HP with 200 miles...When Brocks 08 busa made 177.50 with 475 miles ?? Is this a magic 180 hp 08 busa ?? Son you need to work on your math skills ....lol
different day different dyno can account for 2-3 hp easily so expect to see that magic number many times in the future. the same with the zx14 ( which on some dynos can pull 170 hp), anyway your missing my point that they did not tweak the Brocks biketo make it more powerful!
|
cool
Novice Class
Posts: 80
|
posted September 30, 2007 04:23 AM
The best way to see which bike will king is to run both same day stock out the box nothing lowerd.
just like they did when dennis green ran 03 12 and 03 busa.same day no clutch mod.he got 9.88 on the busa and 9.95 on the 12.They did mod both bikes with lowering and sprocket mod to both.Than the busa got 9.4 to 9.5.This is still with stock slipper clutch.As dennis green did not need clutch replaced.I still wonder what brock would have run if left stock clutch in while bike was lowerd.I still have stock clutch in mine with 300hp to rear wheel.
|
cool
Novice Class
Posts: 80
|
posted September 30, 2007 04:30 AM
Edited By: cool on 30 Sep 2007 05:31
Update gadsen ran 9.32 at 150.95.This will be 8 second bike soon.no pipe or pc needed.Oh on brocks busa.
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted September 30, 2007 05:07 AM
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 30, 2007 06:48 AM
quote:
Update gadsen ran 9.32 at 150.95.This will be 8 second bike soon.no pipe or pc needed.Oh on brocks busa.
Cool that bike at stock wheel base is not going to run 8s without a pipe and p/c ...9.30s @ 150 is a long long way from 8s ... With a pipe and a good tune by Brock with RG or Ryan riding it will go 8s .....
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
cool
Novice Class
Posts: 80
|
posted September 30, 2007 08:26 AM
quote:
quote:
Update gadsen ran 9.32 at 150.95.This will be 8 second bike soon.no pipe or pc needed.Oh on brocks busa.
Cool that bike at stock wheel base is not going to run 8s without a pipe and p/c ...9.30s @ 150 is a long long way from 8s ... With a pipe and a good tune by Brock with RG or Ryan riding it will go 8s .....
It may need longer arm but thats it.There was a stock motor 2004 busa with 174hp to rear wheel that ran 8.9 at 151.It did have arm and pipe with pc.but it was 174hp.with more torque from the new busa and power it is possible.I think an arm will be needed thats it.The problem is everyone jumps out to buy pipe and pc with out truley seeing how fast they can go stock.
|
gstring
Expert Class
Posts: 105
|
posted September 30, 2007 11:33 AM
quote:
Update gadsen ran 9.32 at 150.95.This will be 8 second bike soon.no pipe or pc needed.Oh on brocks busa.
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 30, 2007 12:26 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Update gadsen ran 9.32 at 150.95.This will be 8 second bike soon.no pipe or pc needed.Oh on brocks busa.
Cool that bike at stock wheel base is not going to run 8s without a pipe and p/c ...9.30s @ 150 is a long long way from 8s ... With a pipe and a good tune by Brock with RG or Ryan riding it will go 8s .....
It may need longer arm but thats it.There was a stock motor 2004 busa with 174hp to rear wheel that ran 8.9 at 151.It did have arm and pipe with pc.but it was 174hp.with more torque from the new busa and power it is possible.I think an arm will be needed thats it.The problem is everyone jumps out to buy pipe and pc with out truley seeing how fast they can go stock.
With an ARM maybe 8s .With out a pipe and P/C it's going to be close.. A pro like Ryan , Ricky or Shine may get it done But an Avg joe might not .. We will have to wait and see as the new owners take to the track ....I have been 8.77 on my stock motored zx14 so zx14s have allready broken that ground ..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
bayou boy
Expert Class
Posts: 147
|
posted September 30, 2007 07:56 PM
i know that's true what smoke is saying, cause patrick, ninja boy has ran 8.69, , an i watch him at track plenty of times.....
|
CrotchRocket
Moderator
Bracket Racing with Betsy
Posts: 8038
|
posted September 30, 2007 08:08 PM
I'v been hearing that the Busa guys are not too happy with the clutch on the new Busa...They didnt change the clutch...You still need the clutch mod for it...What good is that???
____________
Jason Miller StreetBike Seminars
*****DragRacers do it better, because they dont cut Corners*****
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted September 30, 2007 08:22 PM
quote:
I'v been hearing that the Busa guys are not too happy with the clutch on the new Busa...They didnt change the clutch...You still need the clutch mod for it...What good is that???
Rick it makes no difference to the Busa guys ...Even if they have to have a clutch mod $$$$ and a upper tripple tree$$$$$ to drop the front end and still need steel braided brake lines $$$$ to stop the bike it's still a better bike , cheaper bike and faster than the zx14 ...I guess all the engine vibs from 4000 to 7000 makes them forget that.. 
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC