1badzx12r
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posted August 27, 2007 05:33 AM
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Synthetic oils will wear out your clutch faster and a stock bike will slow down with high octane fuel period.
I CRY BULLSHIT ...200 PASSES and 24k miles of hard riding on my clutch with Amsoil oil ...Clutch NO SLIPPING ...Cover won't come off untill it slips
ran 118 octane just for the hell of it and i had 11.00 to spend ...guess what no faster ...no slower.. but i do like the smell
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 27, 2007 07:19 AM
Yeah that smell is unique aint it? reminds me of my childhood watching my dad and uncles race. As far as the whole clutch thing, how about taking that up with Brock Davidson? He told me in an email that the clutch will last LONGER with synthetic, because it handles heat better. Said any clutch representative will back that up. Also, if you are under the impression that running oxygenated pump gas is the same power as running regular pump gas (assuming same octane level) you are dillusional or have never had to run it.
And Avgas is a consistent mixture of nonoxygenated gas, with the added benefit of lead (lead is a valve seat lubricant, extending the length of time before valves need adjustment. A good thing.) Anyways, fellas, I didnt post here to get in an argument, just giving a viable high octane alternative that is affordable for those guys running boost or high comp. on the street.
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Pat Dietrich
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posted August 27, 2007 07:57 AM
I wish that was true about the clutch. I use sythetic in my bike and know how often they needed changed after making dragstrip passes as opposed to running norm oil. Brought this up to Schnitz mech and was told it will eat your clutches faster. Maybe the opposite if you don't drag race and I should have stated that.
Running boost or a high compression motor is different then what I'm talking about here. A ZX14 and or Busa have both been proven to make more hp in stock form over a higher octane fuel. Whats the difference besides lead that would account for an added benifit to running this Av gas over pump with a stock bike? You don't really think you have that much compression that a stock motored TL 1000 needs it do you?
A serious question here. WHat gas is oxygenated out of a pump?
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Pat Dietrich
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posted August 27, 2007 07:58 AM
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Ditto that............
Pat, did not know you were on here......
Oh, now I see, you switched tribes............LOL
Welcome
I like the brakes better. lol
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 27, 2007 08:17 AM
 Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 27 Aug 2007 09:32
ALL pump gas in the wintertime used to be oxygenated per the US Gov. regulation. The reg was pulled due to groundwater contamination I believe, but some states (like mine, Washington) still run it, and mine runs it 20% where 10% was the recommended amount per the EPA's original ruling. Liberals tend to overdo everything when they get there way.
The 20% oxygenation I believe is why the older style injectors used to go bad quick, they eroded at the tip and started dumping too much fuel with worse atomization. be glad you don't have that problem. And it's also why the power and MPG loss is so noticeable when you use it. Since the alcohol they add increases the octane rating, they can run crappier base fuel to get the same rating as before. Go figure, it's also a huge tax break for them to make oxygenated fuel, so combined with needing a lower grade base fuel, they make a killing off selling it. At one point I read that all the refining plants were going to oxygenated fuels until enough states raised the BS flag. The article I read (Super Chevy or Car Craft not sure) said that the midwest states that supply most of the crops that make the alcohol all use it at really high mixtures -BUT- (youll love this) the fuel the farmers themselves use is NOT oxygenated because they found that there non-diesel engines didn't make enough power to run properly on it. Seriously, only a government could stay in business with these kinds of people running it.
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Pat Dietrich
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posted August 27, 2007 09:32 AM
Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
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tslewisz
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posted August 27, 2007 10:25 AM
Here in the Peoples Rupublik of Iyyinois, it's nearly impossible to find pump gas that isn't 10% ethanol, FWIW.
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tcchin
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posted August 27, 2007 10:42 AM
Av gas is designed for large-displacement, low-RPM, high-altitude applications. The distillation curves and flame speeds are all wrong for sea-level, 15k RPM, 600 cc fours.
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