smokinzx14
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posted August 14, 2007 06:36 PM
Poll Question:
Going back to the track soon...
Going back to the track soon but not till the temps cool down a bit .... It's just to hot to stand around in leathers and sweat my butt off .....I got the bike all back to race form but i'm keeping the wheel base down to 62 1/2 ...The bike wheelies a bit more at 62 1/2 inch wheel base but i ran my best 60 footers and ETs at that number...
I still have my spare motor so over the winter i'm going to open it up ..May do some head work and add some cams , maybe pistons also ...If have tested just about eveything i can think of without going into the motor ....
So here is a question for you guys .. What would you do?? Turbo or build a motor ?.
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Poll Results:
 8 votes (38%)
Turbo
2 votes (10%)
Big bore
1 votes (5%)
Stroker motor
8 votes (38%)
Ported head and cams
0 votes (0%)
Don't care
2 votes (10%)
Shut up and leave us alone
  
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dubious
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posted August 14, 2007 06:48 PM
300 + HP Turbo on built motor... I wanna see the fastest zx14 yet, and you are the perfect pilot!
Make sure you get sponsored... you deserve it!
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smokinzx14
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posted August 14, 2007 07:08 PM
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300 + HP Turbo on built motor... I wanna see the fastest zx14 yet, and you are the perfect pilot!
Make sure you get sponsored... you deserve it!
300 HP !!!! damn man you tryin to get me killed ?? lol...  I was thinking 250 to 260 on pump gas and finding out what the real HP limit that the stock motor will hold.....I think it could run low 8s if i can ride it ...lol.....
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BlackMagic14
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posted August 14, 2007 07:17 PM
Lee dont do a turbo test the stuff that the majority of us can afford start off when some 13/1 pistons a nice head job some cams or maybe a small bore increase with some added compression and head work and SPRAY THE FUCK OUT OF IT LOL my bike has seen 245 on nitrous and it wasnt that hard to ride well I am A LITTLE HEAVIER then you so it might make a difference
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stevewfl
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posted August 14, 2007 07:18 PM
I voted turbo. You on a turbo bike? I'll enjoy watching records get broke !!!
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BlackMagic14
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posted August 14, 2007 07:23 PM
he wants to ride the thing not spend ninety percent of his time tuning and then get to the track and not be able to get it to hook up!
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zx14mike
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posted August 14, 2007 08:07 PM
I agree with BlackMagic, test a built motor, with big bore high compression pistons, a ported head and cam...........i'm dying to know what those mods will do.
You the man Smokey!
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dubious
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posted August 14, 2007 10:27 PM
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Lee dont do a turbo test the stuff that the majority of us can afford start off when some 13/1 pistons a nice head job some cams or maybe a small bore increase with some added compression and head work and SPRAY THE FUCK OUT OF IT LOL my bike has seen 245 on nitrous and it wasnt that hard to ride well I am A LITTLE HEAVIER then you so it might make a difference
LOL,
Damn, by the time you do all that your only 1G away from turbo!
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jdzx14
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posted August 14, 2007 11:19 PM
Definatley prted head and cams! Mainly cause turbos are expensive, high maintance, high heat, and thats all you see when it comes to built bikes! And i would like to do the same and you would be a great guinnie pig!!! LOL!
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Bently
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posted August 15, 2007 03:06 AM
I just got done talking to a guy on Buying his turbo Busa and after talking to someone honest I would not go turbo to much work and money in up keep. To go fast with a turbo takes alot more then just a turbo, lock up clutch, boost controller etc. In the bike I was looking at, He said it needed a new clutch every 10 to 15 passes. Smoking you have already ran faster then most turbo bikes unless they are all out race bikes, and with a ported head and cams will probably go 8.30's to 8.40's with no spray and 8.1's to 8.20's with a 40 shot.
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stu64
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posted August 15, 2007 03:15 AM
I would say start out with the least expensive mods and work your way up.
This way we will all know what we can do gradually to make the 14's faster/quicker.
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zxbob
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posted August 15, 2007 03:52 AM
hmmm .... let me think ......
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dubious
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posted August 15, 2007 04:46 AM
quote:
I just got done talking to a guy on Buying his turbo Busa and after talking to someone honest I would not go turbo to much work and money in up keep. To go fast with a turbo takes alot more then just a turbo, lock up clutch, boost controller etc. In the bike I was looking at, He said it needed a new clutch every 10 to 15 passes. Smoking you have already ran faster then most turbo bikes unless they are all out race bikes, and with a ported head and cams will probably go 8.30's to 8.40's with no spray and 8.1's to 8.20's with a 40 shot.
Anyone running compareable HP , no matter how you do it, should run a lock up.
# of passes on a clutch is totally depandant on your set up, weight, technique and HP.
Turbos idle and better driveability than big cams...
"bump a lump a lump a bump...." .... both sound real nice though...!
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Brent Davis
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posted August 15, 2007 05:21 AM
Good to hear Smokin but for some reason, I thought you sold the bike. I voted going the turbo route "BUT" the factor of hurting the stock motor is a factor as well so with that I guess a built motor with higher compression pistons, cams, etc. would be the smart choice first.
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bayou boy
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posted August 16, 2007 09:56 AM
that's what i did smoke, i ported&polished my heads, got je pistions, that brought my compression up to 13-5-1, also change my rods to falicon rods, 14 's have rod problems.
always had nos, got a 65 shot that will be prob a 30 something when u hit it.,
i just realy wanted a true 200 or better on motor, or close to it, an with nos, atleast a real 220 hp, i should get more, but i'm opening minded an not expected turbo numbers lol...
the avg bike on tha street only has about 135-160hp, avg bike 750-1300 cc stock bikes.
with that high a compression, i wanted at max 40hp on spray, no more
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smokinzx14
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posted August 16, 2007 10:10 AM
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that's what i did smoke, i ported&polished my heads, got je pistions, that brought my compression up to 13-5-1, also change my rods to falicon rods, 14 's have rod problems.
always had nos, got a 65 shot that will be prob a 30 something when u hit it.,
i just realy wanted a true 200 or better on motor, or close to it, an with nos, atleast a real 220 hp, i should get more, but i'm opening minded an not expected turbo numbers lol...
the avg bike on tha street only has about 135-160hp, avg bike 750-1300 cc stock bikes.
with that high a compression, i wanted at max 40hp on spray, no more
bayou boy very nice ..Can you fill us in on how your zx14 runs now ??
Also i did not think there was a rod problem? I have seen two that spun bearing but both were do to oil problems or lack of oil ...The rod got damage but wasn't the cause ..If you know more please fill us in ...Smokin..
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posted August 16, 2007 12:07 PM
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300 + HP Turbo on built motor... I wanna see the fastest zx14 yet, and you are the perfect pilot!
Make sure you get sponsored... you deserve it!
300 HP !!!! damn man you tryin to get me killed ?? lol... I was thinking 250 to 260 on pump gas and finding out what the real HP limit that the stock motor will hold.....I think it could run low 8s if i can ride it ...lol.....
Lee...ya big sissy. 300hp is nothing. You've seen the videos of mine. It was totally tame. I really didn't think I was going as fast as I did until I saw the time slip. No hint of trying to wheeie. Get blown, go fast 
My 14 rod spun the bearing because of a combination of issues. The biggest problem was that the stock rod bearing on #3 was tight from the factory. It has very little clearance, and that didn't allow sufficient oil into it to cool it off. We've replaced the rods, and have special ordered some different number bearings that will give me more clearance to allow more oil onto the bearing surface.
Also got the Adams billet oil pan.
Turbo is the cheapest way to go. But anything more than about 270hp and you MUST modify the motor; Rods and turbo pistons are a must.
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bayou boy
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posted August 16, 2007 12:37 PM
ye, i blew rods @500 miles full service, a friend of mines did same, all num#3 rods, then 4 more, so i just decided to change my rods all together when i went in the motor anyway to be safe.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted August 17, 2007 05:20 AM
Your going to be so rusty by the time you get back on the track that me and Jessie will be beating you. LOL
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posted August 17, 2007 05:30 AM
I would do just the head-valves/springs, porting, cams...BECAUSE, well we know why it needs it 
Thats just me, I like stock motors...With stock motors you can do laps 
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bayou boy
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posted August 17, 2007 07:31 AM
i did valves also, i 'm not a super huge fan of big bore all tha time, it 's help's busa's out alot, cause a stock busa is no match for a 14 stock,, what i consider stock busa is pipe,pc , i was beaten busa's with bone stock, factory pipes, when i got my brock smeg, it got worse, ,then from that time on, i don't think i ever ran a stock busa again lol, all 1397's, some with spray,
one thing about our bikes, that i notice, smoke can vouche for this, 14 's get in the heads of busa riders, they don't know what to expect, an boy when they see that bottle, they wait an watch u run 1st, then make a choice,even 1397's, that got more cc 's an think that will do it, i spray the shit out'of em, beat 'em by atleast 2 bikes,sometimes more that was before all my work in my bike,
it's funny, all i hear wait till new busa comes, the new busa here, but it an't scary,an it has to be proven, it might be the 1200 of this decade when kaw came out with the 12 for the busa, it reminds me of that, the real specs i here are 195@crank,compression 12-5-1,compared to 12-0-1, 197@crank,for zx-14
but what we have is wght advantage, 485busa-474zx-14, an if u have a drag seat on ur 14, then ur 14 wghs 469,take exhust an put pipe on ur pipe then ur 14' wgh's 440-450 something,
busa will be smaller without pipes also, but i take wght over 2 hp anyday.
the busa going run no doubt, but i think it will be dead even or right behine, never in front a kaw..................lol
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bayou boy
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posted August 17, 2007 07:33 AM
smoke, haven't got it dyno yet, i go wilburn in tupelo miss, there one of the dyno people in tha bus, i deff let u know, on motor an with spray. i run c-16 gas 117oct, hopeing that will help also.
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bayou boy
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posted August 17, 2007 07:34 AM
excuse my miss words smoke, i type an talk at same time, sorry about that.
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smokinzx14
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posted August 17, 2007 08:57 AM
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Your going to be so rusty by the time you get back on the track that me and Jessie will be beating you. LOL
lol you want to put some money on that ...
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smokinzx14
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posted August 17, 2007 09:15 AM
(Turbo ) is winning by one vote ....Hell i got 2 votes to shut up....lol.....So( big bore) and (shut up and leave us alone ) are tied ....
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