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posted August 13, 2007 10:47 AM
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Not getting enthusiastic riding my bike when I see pictures like that............
+1
That makes that 08' busa's rear end look a little better...the black 1098s I saw on Sat. looks pretty good too.
I'm not going to jump to anything until we hear what Kawi says.
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intimida2or
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posted August 13, 2007 08:35 PM
Wow 
Glad to hear no one was hurt !
Keep us posted.
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stevewfl
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posted August 13, 2007 09:02 PM
If anyone needs a welder for their frame there's a Miller in my garage plugged into 240V collecting dust. I'll only charge running a dust cloth across it before firing it up :P
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kc jr 54
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posted August 13, 2007 10:33 PM
I think thats a can of worms best left closed....i can think of a dozen things i could use that sucker for, up to and including a header.
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RyuNinja14
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posted August 13, 2007 11:42 PM
Thank God your ok! Hopefully it was a freak accident type thing and this isn't something every 14 owner is in danger of.
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stevewfl
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posted August 14, 2007 08:31 AM
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I think thats a can of worms best left closed....i can think of a dozen things i could use that sucker for, up to and including a header.
the welder in that pic just got finished doing a header for a 4-wheeler. friend stripped a flange bolt and welded the exhaust to the head! dunno how long thats going to last.....
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smokinzx14
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posted August 15, 2007 09:38 AM
I'm i seeing things here ??? Looking at my bike and looking where his broke i see one thing that could have happened ....
A very lose chain could come close and even hit right where the weld meets the two parts ....It would not take long to saw a small grove in the weld ..Once the grove is there the rest is all down hill...
I'm just tossing ideas out , think about it... Look what a chain does on a dyno or at the drag strip while doing a burn out ...All the slack goes to the bottom of the chain ...Even if your chain it set to factory specs it will under load look very lose at the bottom under load...If the chain was way out of spec the chain would or could make contact with that point of the frame ...
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stevewfl
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posted August 15, 2007 11:41 AM
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I'm i seeing things here ??? Looking at my bike and looking where his broke i see one thing that could have happened ....
A very lose chain could come close and even hit right where the weld meets the two parts ....It would not take long to saw a small grove in the weld ..Once the grove is there the rest is all down hill...
I'm just tossing ideas out , think about it... Look what a chain does on a dyno or at the drag strip while doing a burn out ...All the slack goes to the bottom of the chain ...Even if your chain it set to factory specs it will under load look very lose at the bottom under load...If the chain was way out of spec the chain would or could make contact with that point of the frame ...
wow that was a great observation
folks - if your chain got damaged while it was damaging the frame, feel free to borrow my blue Miller welder for that too!
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splat
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posted August 15, 2007 06:25 PM
I'm just curious.Why is the kickstand not visable in these pics?
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87gtNOS
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posted August 15, 2007 06:50 PM
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folks - if your chain got damaged while it was damaging the frame, feel free to borrow my blue Miller welder for that too!
I just went a looked at mine, as I had a lose chain until last night!! Had me worried.
However, the chain is at least an inch away from there. Also if it could run, it would be rubbing about 1/4"+ to the side of the weld.
So in conclusion, the chain couldn't cause any wear on there....
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kc jr 54
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posted August 15, 2007 11:06 PM
TO who asked about the kickstand. It is there very clearly. All alone the bottom of the 4th image, and all alone the top in the fifth.
And isnt there a plastic 'guide' or sorts going a long the swingarm to prevent the chain the from rubbing ?
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posted August 16, 2007 06:04 AM
I may be missing something in the threads apologies if info was posted, but weren't these guys going to post what KHI found to be the reason for this and what KHI did regarding customer support
Its real quiet here and I think I heard a snap in the garage, let me go check my 14 frame real quick......
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smokinzx14
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posted August 16, 2007 09:59 AM
This from one of the guys at
Psychobike.com
Quote (MARCELO'S @ Aug. 15 2007 7:52 pm)
We have seen this already with guys pulling there own motor out. The rear engine bolt has an adjusting sleeve that winds out with the bolt side of the mount. The nut has to be removed first then the bolt slides out.. If you turn the bolt side it turns the sleeve outward and spreads the frame apart. Cracking in the same place as the picture.. See zx-14 manual for more details...
Find a good welder..
Having pulled a motor from a zx14 i know what Marcelo is talking about and looks like it would cause a frame to break if done wrong or the preload sleeve were over tightened...I guess it's possible that the sleeve was over tightened from the factory ....Smokin..
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stevewfl
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posted August 16, 2007 11:11 AM
wow great post. and if the guys with the broke frame found this same info - no wonder they didn't post back up?
Miller welder anyone??? :P
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posted August 16, 2007 01:09 PM
No we haven't posted back up yet because we don't have any info. I posted the pics but it's my riding buddies bike that broke and he's still waiting for info from Kawasaki. As soon as he knows more, he'll post up, I'm sure of that. He hasn't removed his engine or messed with that bolt in any way, that I'm aware of.
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posted August 16, 2007 01:22 PM
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No we haven't posted back up yet because we don't have any info. I posted the pics but it's my riding buddies bike that broke and he's still waiting for info from Kawasaki. As soon as he knows more, he'll post up, I'm sure of that. He hasn't removed his engine or messed with that bolt in any way, that I'm aware of.
Thanks for keeping us updated!
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posted August 27, 2007 05:03 PM
could this damage have been caused by chassis jack due to tight drive chain adjustment? the engine is the only thing i can think of that has enough force to shear the frame like that and the first post said the bike had just been serviced
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posted October 31, 2007 05:30 PM
So what ended up whith all this?
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posted November 02, 2007 08:22 PM
so what is solution Kawi is not going to do sh*t so what can we do besides wait and have it probably
never happen or what? how to fix
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stevewfl
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posted November 02, 2007 08:30 PM
like most frame break threads on this forum there is no concrete Kawi response whatsoever. search on the topic and you'll see a plethora of threads.
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posted May 31, 2008 09:15 AM
crazy... is the photo in this topic the photo in the recall pdf???
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