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posted August 02, 2007 04:35 PM
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Always. Some still don't get it about the Pilot Powers?
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posted August 02, 2007 04:38 PM
if you have them on your bike you love them.....pilot powers rock
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posted August 02, 2007 04:43 PM
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if you have them on your bike you love them.....pilot powers rock
That was exactly my experience with the 2CT's on my ZX9 this spring before I got the 14!!!
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posted August 02, 2007 10:28 PM
yup, tons of traction, very predictable, but wow... wear fast,
good thing i already have another mounted on my spare rear wheel!
2300 km of torturous miles and NO burnouts, maybe 20% left.
the front is scrubbed alot too!
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posted August 03, 2007 02:42 AM
I felt that the center of my 2CT's were holding up pretty well. I bought them because I like wheelies!!
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posted August 05, 2007 12:57 AM
Tony & Steve i will try the pilot powers to see for myself and i'll let ya'll know how i like them
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posted August 05, 2007 10:36 AM
i have become a big pilot power fan after replacing oem with a set. totally different bike with p.p.'s.way more confident in the twisties. plus i only got 3200 miles from oem and 4000 from the michelins. just installed the 2ct's so time will tell on those
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posted August 05, 2007 02:02 PM
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I orderd the new Pirelli zr diablo corsa 3 compound tire . wanted to see how they hold up on miles and handeling.
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posted August 06, 2007 04:00 AM
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HUH?? why are people saying the 2CT's wear quicker than the regular Powers?
Aren't the 2ct's made with a harder center compound just for that reason, so they DON'T wear prematurely?
No, they are harder in the center than the sides, for sure, but overall are softer than the regular powers -- no question about that. Everyone here is experiencing lower mileage on the 2CT's including me, however, they are a better performing tire than the standard PP's. I have seen that through my own personal experience. I push that sucker down to the bead and she sticks like glue and never wants to wash out.
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posted August 08, 2007 11:13 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 8 Aug 2007 14:05
Can't speak for my ZX14 (650miles and counting) but on my torque monster extreme lean angle TL1000R my street/strip results are: Dunlop D208's: awesome traction allowing very very early power out of corners-nobody ever got on the gas sooner- but I ran off the tread before I ran out of available lean angle. Yin and Yang: total confidence inspiring grip with poor feedback. gotta trust them. Qualifiers are same tire with little better traction, worse life span. Which is saying something because the D208's wore quick.
Pilot Powers: awesome feedback, lower shoulder for higher lean angle, decent traction but not on par with the D208 or Qualifiers. Way better mileage, though.
2CT's: all the traction you want on shoulder, but frustratingly short life span in center of tire: not the same compound as the regular Powers regardless of what they claim.
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posted August 09, 2007 09:59 AM
I'm with you Tony. The Michelins in my opinion is a better tire than the Dunlop. Dunlops a good tire but I think the top two tires right now is the Corsa III and the Pilot 2ct because of the dual compound.
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posted August 09, 2007 11:54 AM
huh Dunlop????????????
Compared to Michelin? WTF? bahahaha
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posted August 09, 2007 12:11 PM
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Pilot Powers: awesome feedback, lower shoulder for higher lean angle, decent traction but not on par with the D208 or Qualifiers. Way better mileage, though.
Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying 208's have better traction than a PP? If so, you are sadly mistaken. 208's are shitty at best. They are much harder than a PP and they do not get near the traction. It's a simple principle, if the tire wears out faster, it generally gets better traction. If I read your post wrong (or if you wrote it wrong) then I appologize.
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posted August 09, 2007 12:17 PM
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Can't speak for my ZX14 (650miles and counting) but on my torque monster extreme lean angle TL1000R my street/strip results are: Dunlop D208's: awesome traction allowing very very early power out of corners-nobody ever got on the gas sooner- but I ran off the tread before I ran out of available lean angle. Yin and Yang: total confidence inspiring grip with poor feedback. gotta trust them. Qualifiers are same tire with little better traction, worse life span. Which is saying something because the D208's wore quick.
Pilot Powers: awesome feedback, lower shoulder for higher lean angle, decent traction but not on par with the D208 or Qualifiers. Way better mileage, though.
2CT's: all the traction you want on shoulder, but frustratingly short life span in center of tire: not the same compound as the regular Powers regardless of what they claim.
Wipe dat Dunlop off yer mouf boy!
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posted August 09, 2007 12:29 PM
no you read it right. I averaged about 2000 miles out of each D208 rear, got about 4000 miles outta the Powers. I'm telling you, I've seen enough guys sliding trying to keep up as I'm passing them on corner apex's and exits to know. Granted, the torque pulse of a v twin allows the tire to reseat itself between firings when at the edge of traction, a slip n grip that you actually feel as a slight controllable slide as you get hard on the gas while still leaned over. I've tried to replicate that on a R1 and 636 with mixed results. aka nearly highsiding. Gotta love a v-twin. Regardless, I've run them both against friends unchanged bikes and there was no doubt, the power's would slide where the 208's didnt. period. Couple things to consider, though, The TL1000R is a heavier bike, I'm 300 pounds, and combined that equals alot more pressure pushing down on a tire than when you guys on your 600's corner, so that MIGHT have something to do with your different results. A
BTW, I've yet to read a article where they faulted the lack of traction of the Qualifier over its competitor's. It's normally a feedback/confidence issue. Which is why I went to Pilot Powers in the first place, the better mileage was purely a bonus, coulda cared less.
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posted August 09, 2007 12:29 PM
Anyone that suspects their dunlops are stickier has proven to us they don't ride anything except straight lines
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posted August 09, 2007 12:40 PM
hahahahahahhahahahaaaa thats funny!! I don't know about you, but the last 3 sets of tires on my TL1000R where replaced because I V'ed them. on mostly street riding. Have you ever done that on street tires? on a 1000? You know, V'ed so bad you 'fall' into the full lean groove when you start your lean? I assume you race, hence the motif under your name, so you know what I'm talking about. I can't beat most bikes on the straights (hp to weight sucks with my big ass) so I've learned how to brake late, way into a corner and accelerate out just past the apex. I truly do feel sorry for my bike I abuse the hell outta that thing, not to mention the slave labor my tires gotta deal with, but hey I hate to lose, even if I can't necessarily win. I'll wreck before I'll come in last. And yes, I know how stupid that sounds but this old dog is stuck in his ways.
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posted August 09, 2007 01:08 PM
+1 and the TL1000 is SWEET.
My street tires stay worn on the edge. The chicken stripe is still the reason they wear out. Not because the big 14 bike won't corner, but our roads in FL are straight. That was NOT the case on my prior bikes when I lived in the blue ridge parkway.
And ya, in Florida I race a track bike because thats about the only way to find real twisties at speed to drag a knee (among other reasons like the geriatric drivers, etc etc)
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posted August 09, 2007 01:13 PM
I understand completely. I lived in Sacramento California and its completely flat. Me and my friends would ride up to a hundred miles just to get into the mountains every week or even twice a week. A tip for you: look for large housing tracks going in. they always lay the roads first and the new way of building houseing tracks is for the roads to be nonstop curves. makes for an excellent road course. At least until they start building houses then you got debris and dirt in the road. They are around, you just gotta look for them. Just like a racetrack except for the curbs lol.
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posted August 09, 2007 04:01 PM
we are talking tires for a 14. i have only the original battleaxes to compare with, but that front would wash out in a hard corner, i put the pilot powers on and the bike is totally different and improved , it is so confident in the handling now. had dunlops metzlers and pirellis before on other bikes but only the pirellis cornered anywhere close to the pilot powers
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posted August 09, 2007 05:11 PM
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posted August 09, 2007 05:18 PM
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Dun-Fucking-Lop
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posted August 09, 2007 05:33 PM
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posted August 09, 2007 06:34 PM
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no you read it right. I averaged about 2000 miles out of each D208 rear, got about 4000 miles outta the Powers. I'm telling you, I've seen enough guys sliding trying to keep up as I'm passing them on corner apex's and exits to know. Granted, the torque pulse of a v twin allows the tire to reseat itself between firings when at the edge of traction, a slip n grip that you actually feel as a slight controllable slide as you get hard on the gas while still leaned over. I've tried to replicate that on a R1 and 636 with mixed results. aka nearly highsiding. Gotta love a v-twin. Regardless, I've run them both against friends unchanged bikes and there was no doubt, the power's would slide where the 208's didnt. period. Couple things to consider, though, The TL1000R is a heavier bike, I'm 300 pounds, and combined that equals alot more pressure pushing down on a tire than when you guys on your 600's corner, so that MIGHT have something to do with your different results. A
BTW, I've yet to read a article where they faulted the lack of traction of the Qualifier over its competitor's. It's normally a feedback/confidence issue. Which is why I went to Pilot Powers in the first place, the better mileage was purely a bonus, coulda cared less.
You talking about Power's or Power 2CT's? Either way...I don't think the 208's qualify alongside the Power's or the Power 2CT's. I've used the Pilot HPX's before the Power or the Power 2CT's...never washed out on any of them and have zero C-strips on the 10R or the 14. All I know, is that the BT014's (OEM to the 14) washed out on me in the rear more that once -- and they are soft, but there's much more to the tire handling than compound.
 ...just look here to see what the testers think about your D208's compared to the Power's (not even the 2ct's which clearly, are superior to the regular Power's)
http://www.zinio.com/express?issue=77606059
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posted August 10, 2007 06:43 AM
Look fellas I aint saying the D208's are the best out there for normal riders, far from it, but when it comes to a rider plus bike weight of over 800 pounds tires react differently, heat up a helluva lot quicker, and a tires composure and ultimate traction can totally change compared to you lightweights with a combined weight of what, 550-600 pounds? When it comes to MY results saying the D208's have better traction than the Pilot Powers in the corners it is undisputed. When I'm pulling 600's (the I-4 variety, for some reason the SV650's ridden hard and well can match my exits) out of the corners, something is working right for me. On the Pilot Power's I can't ride that way, though I can toss my TL with alot more confidence, leading to a faster corner speed, if I try to lift the front wheel coming out of the corner it just slides. I hate slides. As the saying goes "results may vary consult your doctor".
PS: if you guys know anybody my size trying to road race have him PM me, we can trade techniques, set up info, and donut recipes.
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