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posted July 26, 2007 03:42 PM
What would you do?
I was taking a solo ride over a long bridge following applicable traffic laws before midnight. There was some normal traffic, but not crowded. A group of sportbike riders comes flying past, some together, some solo on a way over 100mph pace. I just watched them go past as I maintained lawful speed.(65 to 70mph) They just keep going ahead. All of a sudden I see flashing lights way back coming in the same direction. I had to make a decision fast. Do I maintain lawful speed, let the lights catch up, and hope I don't get harrased or mistaken for one of the group hauling ass, or say I'm getting the hell out of here they will catch them before me. Well....I did not want to take a chance because it was late and I did not trust the lights to do the right thing. I switched to warp drive passed some of the group and ducked off the first exit I could. Rode some backstreets for a bit, then went back the other way on the bridge towards home with no more incidents. Felt bad that I really didn't have a choice. Lucky to be on the 14 so there was an option.
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posted July 26, 2007 03:58 PM
 Edited By: ZX11D on 26 Jul 2007 17:01
You may have done the right thing. For sure you would not want to find out that the only chance to try explaining you were not part of the speeding group would be after humiliating arrest, at the police station 
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posted July 26, 2007 04:36 PM
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I was taking a solo ride over a long bridge following applicable traffic laws before midnight. There was some normal traffic, but not crowded. A group of sportbike riders comes flying past, some together, some solo on a way over 100mph pace. I just watched them go past as I maintained lawful speed.(65 to 70mph) They just keep going ahead. All of a sudden I see flashing lights way back coming in the same direction. I had to make a decision fast. Do I maintain lawful speed, let the lights catch up, and hope I don't get harrased or mistaken for one of the group hauling ass, or say I'm getting the hell out of here they will catch them before me. Well....I did not want to take a chance because it was late and I did not trust the lights to do the right thing. I switched to warp drive passed some of the group and ducked off the first exit I could. Rode some backstreets for a bit, then went back the other way on the bridge towards home with no more incidents. Felt bad that I really didn't have a choice. Lucky to be on the 14 so there was an option.
You did the right thing because they would have said you were with the other guys racing ....And when you went to court to fight it the cop would lie like they allways do...Smokin..
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posted July 26, 2007 04:58 PM
I just don't think sportbike riders get any benefit of the doubt. I do not trust for the right thing to happen, and that's a shame. I pay taxes and follow the rules but if I'm on the bike I expect the worst.
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posted July 26, 2007 05:05 PM
cops cause too much trouble.
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posted July 26, 2007 05:07 PM
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cops cause too much trouble.
Steve call tony and ask what happened last Sat night .... 
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posted July 26, 2007 05:13 PM
Edited By: bigdtd on 26 Jul 2007 18:16
say it aint so, i swear they got something going around here.
good thing i had the maxton map so my bike didn't heave its guts out at a critical moment......wfo
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posted July 26, 2007 06:31 PM
Edited By: LeoVinceZX14 on 26 Jul 2007 19:36
My 2 cents....
Given the circumstances, you really didn't have much choice. Self preservation. Over here in O-town, I witness a fair amount of stupidity much like what you saw and just shake my head. Get a clue guys...More and more it's why I head farther out to my stealth roads to ride.
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posted July 26, 2007 07:31 PM
two wrongs don't make a right but three lefts will. you didn't have much of a choice, anyone who has been to a street race knows not to be the only one there when 5-0 shows. glad it worked out for you! it's a bad feeling knowing you will pay the price for something you didn't do
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posted July 26, 2007 07:50 PM
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Steve call tony and ask what happened last Sat night ....
He told me! 
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posted July 26, 2007 07:55 PM
i had this happen in my truck one day... a fuking white truck passes me and then turns off... next thing i know a dps is in my rear view with lites chopping....well my truck silver but i still got that other fuker's ticket.... so from now own i run and run and run like forrest gump...i take my medicine but i ain't taking some other fuker's medicine ever again
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posted July 26, 2007 09:02 PM
Sounds like it worked out as well as can be expected. Before I was an officer I had a similar situation. I was pulled over and the officer ran my license... (2 - 35 in a 25mph on my record... CHEAP TICKETS from CHEAP OFFICER!!!! ) Anyway I told him where I was coming from and the times I left, (and gave him witness names... I also described the bikes I had seen. He believed me. (I think I had a GS1150 at the time... so I also told him that if I was runing with the Katanas and Hurricanes that I would not have been anywhere near them. (Back when the 1150 was leaps and bounds faster than those 600's) He actually laughed and let me go. The other situation is a bit different, however I know why tou made your choice. In the city of Lake Geneva at about 12am there were about 7 or 6 idiot punks walking in the street area when a car of 3 punks and a female stopped at a light. The guys walking yelled a bunch of crap at the car and one of them kicked the front fender. The car pulled over and all of the guys started running past me yelling, he's got a baseball bat. I was no where near the guys when it all happened, but I did see it go on. I kept walking and one of the dorks from the car came up to me, ripped off his shirt and was in my face. He pushed me and I told him that I had nothing to do with the guys that were screwing with him. He did not believe it. The rest of the other guys were gone. Before I knew it I was struck with the baseball bat from behind on the small of the back. I yelled that I didn't do anything and that I didn't even know the other guys. He swung again and I ducked as he swung at my head. I then started running yelling for help as they were chasing me. The female hit me in the heaad with her shoe. I ran down the middle of the road and was faster than them even though my leg hurt pretty bad. As I arrived at Burger King there were about 3 cars that stopped to help so the other guys got in their car and drove off. The female's shoe was still in the road. I then ran to the police station and the officers felt that I was part of the other idiots so they let everone go. I should have run away as soon as I saw what was transpiring. That was a bad evening. The point is ,had you continued to ride, they would have assumed that you were with them. You were in a lose, lose situation. The only thing that you got lucky on is that the officers coming up from behind could have had an officer waiting at the exit you got off on and then you would have had no excuse or chance. Again, it did work out for you but always realize that in court you would ahve had no excuse if another officer had seen you exceeding the speed limit. That is the typical no win situation. I am glad it worked out. Just as anything, you try to make a split decision and hope that it is right. I hat eto say it, but as an office now, I do have a bit of an advantage by sharing what I had seem and describing the bikes. This is why I say that people (and I reiterate, to each his own,) make it bad for everyone by acting foolish. Smokin, I understand from your past troubles where you are coming from, but not all officers lie. That being said, they may have assumed that you were part of them and maybe wouldn't lie, but they would have figured you were part of them and would have written that in a report. There is no easy answer! I am glad that it worked out for you. Many times they would ask you for information on the other bikes and maybe you could tell them straight out what the deal was. Also, seeing the lights behind you, they may have known it was not you and wouldn't have stopped you. It was a risk... but probably one worth taking. because even if you were stopped, yo could have given your story. Now, I typically pull over on the shoulder just to prove that I was not running. Especially if they catch some of the other riders... but good luck!!! Just my 2 cents based upon my history and current job. Funnier than that, I had a custom Harley pass me and I knew him to be abother officer. I did tell them the info and assumed that they would catch him eventually and he would hear from the Sheriff.
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posted July 26, 2007 10:05 PM
Always shoot first. That's the key to keeping tickets off your records.
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posted July 26, 2007 10:16 PM
Edited By: RyuNinja14 on 26 Jul 2007 23:17
You did the absolute best thing you could have done. This is why i usually ride alone since a group, even when riding reasonable and within the limit, can still get bs attention from some cop who's got it in for bikes. You got out of dodge and changed directions doing it. Let it be a lesson the nextime you encounter even one bike let along a group of riders acting stupid, clear out. They most likely got the popo's attention and you don't want to be in the area when they come.
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posted July 27, 2007 10:06 AM
OK, I can not HONESTLY say what I would or would not have done because I was not in your shoes when the decision had to be made. I've run from the po-po before, but not often, so who knows. I was not in your shoes.
Having said all of that, I'd like to think that given your same situation I would not have run. It's one thing to break out for some stupid sh-t that I'VE done, but I-B-damned if I'm gonna roll out for some stupid sh-t that some other stupid motherf--k-rs did, particularly if I don't even know them. I'd like to think that I would have just pulled over, or better yet, maintained the same legal speed that I'd been travelling. Either 5-0 would have passed me by looking for the other dudes or he would have pulled in behind me. If pulled, I have no doubt that I would have convinced him that I was not part of the other group. In my considerable riding experience, cops have more often than not given the guy who stops a pass. They know they can't catch you (alone) and appreciate the fact that you did not hurt yourself or them by running.
It's not the same as the po-po chasing and chasing and chasing and ultimately nabbing the slowest one/ones in the bunch. Those slow bastards have the misfortune of being slow AND running. The cops at that point are all geeked up on adrenaline and lookin' to kick some azz and put some folks in the pokey.
All of us travel at double and triple the speed limit on our 14s or else why have a 14. But you know what, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But if I'm right, I'm right. Read my first paragraph again!
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posted July 27, 2007 10:35 AM
WANTED...... For Felony Flight... Large male in black oversized leathers. Riding a bike In excess of 150mph with a distinctive V shaped tail light....Thats all I saw :d
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posted July 27, 2007 11:01 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 27 Jul 2007 12:01
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OK, I can not HONESTLY say what I would or would not have done because I was not in your shoes when the decision had to be made. I've run from the po-po before, but not often, so who knows. I was not in your shoes.
Having said all of that, I'd like to think that given your same situation I would not have run. It's one thing to break out for some stupid sh-t that I'VE done, but I-B-damned if I'm gonna roll out for some stupid sh-t that some other stupid motherf--k-rs did, particularly if I don't even know them. I'd like to think that I would have just pulled over, or better yet, maintained the same legal speed that I'd been travelling. Either 5-0 would have passed me by looking for the other dudes or he would have pulled in behind me. If pulled, I have no doubt that I would have convinced him that I was not part of the other group. In my considerable riding experience, cops have more often than not given the guy who stops a pass. They know they can't catch you (alone) and appreciate the fact that you did not hurt yourself or them by running.
It's not the same as the po-po chasing and chasing and chasing and ultimately nabbing the slowest one/ones in the bunch. Those slow bastards have the misfortune of being slow AND running. The cops at that point are all geeked up on adrenaline and lookin' to kick some azz and put some folks in the pokey.
All of us travel at double and triple the speed limit on our 14s or else why have a 14. But you know what, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But if I'm right, I'm right. Read my first paragraph again!
Well you don't know the Cops around here where bigdtd , steve, tony and myself ride......These guys are on the hunt for any sport bike !!!! And will and do anything to get one !!! It doesn't matter if you are doing anything wrong because they feel if you own a sport bike you must have at one time done something wrong ....bigdtd was riding in a place that is known for drag racing and top speed runs..They have been going there for 30 years and for 30 years they have been trying to stop it.. If you are on that bridge at night on a sport bike in the eyes of the law you are a scum bag...If you get pulled over wrong or right you are going to get wrote end of story ... and you will be damn lucky if you don't go to the pokey...bigdtd knowing this facts did what he had to do ....Now if bigdtd had been just off the bridge on either side it would not been a problem ...Smokin..
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posted July 27, 2007 07:15 PM
bad place to be on a bike night on one of the bridges. but guess what i live on a peninsula and didn't feel like driving 100 miles north stop and go to get some fresh air. there was a litlle cool breeze and i was getting out on a highway where i could cruise without hitting a stop light. there is no rural close by so it was the only way i could go. i was relaxed and enjoying traveling over the water with the wind in my face. then an adrenaline rush from hell. i felt like mel gibson in the first road warrior movie where he has to fire up the blower to get away. i am not going to put my livelyhood in fate's hands. the cops around here treat bikers like criminals even if you are just going to the store. i have been pulled over just to see if i had a motorcycle license. it ain't right. thanks for the support.
on the serious side i have some good friends that have been officers for a long time. i respect the police and am thankful for the job they do. i vote and obey the law and am a decent citizen. i just don't like discrimination. when you put on a helmet and ride a sportbike with a pipe you have a target on your back.
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posted July 27, 2007 11:34 PM
Conviction of the innocent is much worse than the bad guy getting away on occasion....Innocent until PROVEN guilty...It seems like it's getting backwards lately...That's whay it's necessary for procedures and rules to be followed by police so that the worng guy doesn't get convicted.....
It's a shame that the U.S. constitution is being trashed by our so called leaders who supposedly swear to uphold it...
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posted July 28, 2007 02:53 AM
Hey big.. i probably would have done exactly what you did.... maybe ... depending on my mood at the time ..the cop may have blown right by you knowing he was chasing more than a single rider? Whos knows Tell ya though... on a highway... its hard for me resist chasing down someone that flys by me.. 
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posted July 28, 2007 02:08 PM
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cops cause too much trouble.
Steve call tony and ask what happened last Sat night ....
What happened???
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posted July 28, 2007 02:11 PM
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cops cause too much trouble.
Steve call tony and ask what happened last Sat night ....
What happened???
Man you gotta PM Tony :P
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posted July 28, 2007 02:54 PM
Ut Ohhh! He must a been a bad boy.
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posted July 28, 2007 04:21 PM
Edited By: bigdtd on 28 Jul 2007 17:22
tony fess up, hypothetically
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