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posted July 15, 2007 02:18 PM
RUN!!! or STOP!!!
A 22yr.old man doing 160 mph running from the police on an R6 wrecked in Roanoke,Va.,he got a year in JAIL and $3,500 in fines. Thanks to some new fcuked up laws in Virginia.
  
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posted July 15, 2007 02:21 PM
I heard about those new VA laws. Theey are totally out of control.
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posted July 15, 2007 02:40 PM
last year a kid ran from a ne york state trooper driving a marked suv. the trooper took a curve to fast lost control and hit a tree head on at about 80mph and died. the kid got away. about a week later the cops catch him. he got 10 to 15 years and the laws got changed to if you run its a felony.
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posted July 15, 2007 03:32 PM
I used to run when i got caught but I recently stopped and know I pull over. Its got so bad here with people running that if you stop they usually cut u some slack because so many guys run and they are not afraid to hit you to get u to stop!! I dont know what it is but on a bike I feel like I can outrun anything but its really hard to outrun a CB and then the chance of wrecking and killing yourself! Just stop man its just money, not your life or someone elses!!
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 15, 2007 08:50 PM
For me it depends on Situation where I am and how fast I was going if I was going 85-90 on the interstate I always stop!!! Out bangin curves on some back country rural highways and I am going 95-100 in a 35 I AM GONE PERIOD!!! but most of the cops here wont chase a motorcycle anyway especially the staties they are FORBIDDEN from chasing a bike
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posted July 15, 2007 08:53 PM
Agreed, better off just stopping. Part of it is you don't want to get yourself killed, but the majority of it is the cops (like everyone else) no longer have to take personal responsibility for getting themselves killed chasing something they can't possibly catch. The same logic that makes some poor kid responsible for some dip sh$$ cop who wrapped himself around a tree chasing a superbike in a ford explorer is what lets a stupid bit$$ who does not realize coffee is hot win 10 million dollars suing McDonalds because she spilled her coffee on her lap and the cup did not say "Warning you stupid fat cow, the fuc$$$$ coffee in this cup is hot, if you spill it on your lap it will burn your fat a$$". Now she is a rich fat bitch and all the McDonalds coffee cups bear that warning. The point is that personal responsibility does not exist in todays society. Everything is someone elses fault. If a cop kills himself chasing you because he did not have the driving skills to stay on the road or the common sense to call it in and go get a donut and coffee (the hot kind) you will go to jail for his murder, even though he killed himself. It's a fuc$$$ up world we live in but the bottom line is it is just not worth it anymore. Pull over and take the fine.
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posted July 16, 2007 04:38 AM
Just pull over...You pay to play and we all get cought eventually. Radio waves travel at 670616629 mph. You can't win. I agree however if the idiot chasing you can't drive to save his life (99% of cops out there) then he should call it in and NOT risk only himself, but the public in a high speed chase. The average speeder is NOT an armed robber fleeing a bank heist.
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posted July 16, 2007 01:04 PM
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The point is that personal responsibility does not exist in todays society.
You mean like... the kind of responsibility it takes to PULL YER ASS OVER if you have a cop on your tail because YOU were speeding? Unreal the leaps of pseudo-logic people leap to.
 
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zx14_busakilla
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posted July 16, 2007 01:18 PM
Back in may i was playing around a little i got pulled over doing 93 in a 55 . The cop walks up to me, i reached for my licence he was like dont worry bout that i just want to look at the bike i got a black one with a 4 n 2-1 muzzy , just slow it down some and be safe. Is that some lucky shit or what
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posted July 16, 2007 02:20 PM
I have had to face both ends of that problem. These days ( I'm old now) I will stop if it is a BS ticket (77 in a 65mph ) or such. BUT...
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posted July 16, 2007 02:54 PM
Southern Florida cops don't play though. I was riding home with my ex, and it was an overnight ride, and I was trying to get her to slow-down because it was dawn and that is when the cops really start looking for trouble. No cars on the road, perfect visibility (for a cop in hiding), and we were caught doing 110 in a 60. We pulled over when we saw that he was on our tail, and he rushed at us screaming, "Not on MY roads you don't!" He said that he could take us to jail and impound our bikes if he wanted to. My ex was a pure asshole to him. Mouthed-off every chance she got, and I kept apologizing to him, and pleading with him to be lenient. Her mouth shut that down for both of us though.
We both took the ticket to court (mainly due to hopes that the cop would not show, rather that we had a case). The cop showed for both of our court dates. The judge added court fees to her already outrageous ticket but when it was my turn the following week I the cop actually vouched for me and said that it appeared I was trying to get my partner to slow down and that I spoke without attitude and the judge let me off with a reduced fine, and no points. That was the last time I got "caught", and I have been careful since then. I am trying to rebuild my driving record and hopefully I will be ablt to show some restraint when the 14 hits my parking lot.
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posted July 16, 2007 08:45 PM
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Just pull over...You pay to play and we all get cought eventually. Radio waves travel at 670616629 mph. You can't win. I agree however if the idiot chasing you can't drive to save his life (99% of cops out there) then he should call it in and NOT risk only himself, but the public in a high speed chase. The average speeder is NOT an armed robber fleeing a bank heist.
Here is the thing about what most people say about "you cant outrun the radio" I have had several police officers that I ride with and a couple of lawyers that i ride with tell me that if a cop Completely loses you from sight and does not get a definate id on you plates then you can fight the ticket and will win!!!! my experience backs this up about 2 years ago me and a groupl of my buudies were out riding early on a sunday morning about 5:15am we were keeping a brisk pace somewhere around 80-90 on a very remote rural highway come over the crest of a hill and ooops there he is. Well since I was in the lead and knew that I would be the one getting the BIG ticket I just booked it... Turned of on the next rural highway kept up fast pace for about 20 minutes then pulled over and took my helmet off and put my jacket in my backpack then rode off at a very reasonable 40 mph pace heading home... after about 10 minutes of this here come 5 Grant county sherrifs lights and sirens going full blast so I immediately pull over shut the bike off get of (I am all smiles) "Hello officers is there a problem was I speeding?" So the seargent starts asking me all these questions about where I am coming from where I am going have I been on hwy 270 with a big group of other riders. I say No sir I came up on Hwy 46 and am making the loop back to my house. Then he starts this bullshit up " Well one of my deputies has you on video fleeing from him and he is on his way here right now so we are going to look at the video and then arrest you for felony fleeing. But if you admit to it now we will just right you the speeding ticket. (gee let me think I am going 130 by the time the sherrif got turned around I was probably at least half a mile past him odds of him getting my tag on video UMMMM NO BRAINER NO WAY HE GOT MY TAG ON VIDEO.) So I say well officer I am sure not going to admit to something I didnt do I think we should wait for him to get here so I can prove my innocence by you guys looking at the video. So about 5 minutes later here comes another deputy in his car (I dont think it was the one I ran from but I dont know for sure) he gets out of his car saying thats him thats the bike blah blah blah so the seargent ask me again, look you better just confess before I have to look at the video cause if you make me look at this whole video I am definately takeing you to jail for felony fleeing. I say Sir it was not me!!. So they get in the car and sit there for 25 minutes looking at VIDEO EVIDENCE the whole time this other deputy is in my ear trying to play good cop :Look buddy I dont want to see you go to jail you havce a clean record no tickets just admit it and all you get is a speeding ticket. SO after sitting there for nearly an hour I start to play the I am pissed off card. I tell the seargent " Sir obviously you can see that that is not me on the video and I have been quite patient I have about another hour and a half back home so if we could wrap this up I really need to get going. And then the seargent is Like Well I KNOW IT IS YOU BUT I AM GOING TO BE NICE AND GIVE YOU A BREAK THIS TIME. You can go!!!
Moral of the story NEVER ADMIT TO ANYHTINGIF THEY DONT HAVE HARD PROOF YOU WILL EITHER NOT GET A TICKET OR YOU WILL BEAT THE TICKET
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posted July 16, 2007 08:52 PM
quote:
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Just pull over...You pay to play and we all get cought eventually. Radio waves travel at 670616629 mph. You can't win. I agree however if the idiot chasing you can't drive to save his life (99% of cops out there) then he should call it in and NOT risk only himself, but the public in a high speed chase. The average speeder is NOT an armed robber fleeing a bank heist.
Here is the thing about what most people say about "you cant outrun the radio" I have had several police officers that I ride with and a couple of lawyers that i ride with tell me that if a cop Completely loses you from sight and does not get a definate id on you plates then you can fight the ticket and will win!!!! my experience backs this up about 2 years ago me and a groupl of my buudies were out riding early on a sunday morning about 5:15am we were keeping a brisk pace somewhere around 80-90 on a very remote rural highway come over the crest of a hill and ooops there he is. Well since I was in the lead and knew that I would be the one getting the BIG ticket I just booked it... Turned of on the next rural highway kept up fast pace for about 20 minutes then pulled over and took my helmet off and put my jacket in my backpack then rode off at a very reasonable 40 mph pace heading home... after about 10 minutes of this here come 5 Grant county sherrifs lights and sirens going full blast so I immediately pull over shut the bike off get of (I am all smiles) "Hello officers is there a problem was I speeding?" So the seargent starts asking me all these questions about where I am coming from where I am going have I been on hwy 270 with a big group of other riders. I say No sir I came up on Hwy 46 and am making the loop back to my house. Then he starts this bullshit up " Well one of my deputies has you on video fleeing from him and he is on his way here right now so we are going to look at the video and then arrest you for felony fleeing. But if you admit to it now we will just right you the speeding ticket. (gee let me think I am going 130 by the time the sherrif got turned around I was probably at least half a mile past him odds of him getting my tag on video UMMMM NO BRAINER NO WAY HE GOT MY TAG ON VIDEO.) So I say well officer I am sure not going to admit to something I didnt do I think we should wait for him to get here so I can prove my innocence by you guys looking at the video. So about 5 minutes later here comes another deputy in his car (I dont think it was the one I ran from but I dont know for sure) he gets out of his car saying thats him thats the bike blah blah blah so the seargent ask me again, look you better just confess before I have to look at the video cause if you make me look at this whole video I am definately takeing you to jail for felony fleeing. I say Sir it was not me!!. So they get in the car and sit there for 25 minutes looking at VIDEO EVIDENCE the whole time this other deputy is in my ear trying to play good cop :Look buddy I dont want to see you go to jail you havce a clean record no tickets just admit it and all you get is a speeding ticket. SO after sitting there for nearly an hour I start to play the I am pissed off card. I tell the seargent " Sir obviously you can see that that is not me on the video and I have been quite patient I have about another hour and a half back home so if we could wrap this up I really need to get going. And then the seargent is Like Well I KNOW IT IS YOU BUT I AM GOING TO BE NICE AND GIVE YOU A BREAK THIS TIME. You can go!!!
Moral of the story NEVER ADMIT TO ANYHTINGIF THEY DONT HAVE HARD PROOF YOU WILL EITHER NOT GET A TICKET OR YOU WILL BEAT THE TICKET
In my case that didn't work ...And you ask why ?? Because the cop lied to the DA and the Judge ....Cops word over mine and a witness ....
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posted July 16, 2007 09:04 PM
The traffic code in Arkansas states that IF!!! a police vehicle is equipped with video equipment and in the case of fleeing the pursuing officer loses sight of the suspect he MUST have video recording of at least a partial plate. I think the loop hole here is that a police officer can lie and say I never lost sight of him but I knew that in the above mentioned situation that wouldnt work because he didnt chase me he stayed with my buddies "None of whom got a ticket" because I later found out they told him Who I was and where I was from... LMAO yeah right my goofball buddies told him my name was get this Bob Smoot!!!!! where the fuck they got from I will never know they also told him I was on an Orange Yamaha R6 I was on a zx10. But like I said I dont always run and I dont make a habit of it by any means but in certain situations There is just no way I am going to stop... Also I am much more apt to run when on my ZX10's then on my 14 I guess partly cause it doesnt handle NEAR AS well at 64 inches as the 10's do and it is MUCH MORE easily identifiable
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posted July 16, 2007 11:35 PM
There are numerous police officers on this Forum... (which I am one)... and I would never chase anyone that runs in a high speed chase unless there is a high probability that the subject will cause great bodily harm if allowed to go free. I will add that I live in a rural area with enough local departments that identifying and stopping the subject usually can be done in a controlled way that takes the risk out of endangering the innocent public. We also are pretty aware of the bikes in the area and who owns/rides them. As stated in another post, it comes down to the court testimony of the parties involved. Even if the subject is lost from view, it is not very hard to identify the bike and rider. As a motorcycle enthusiast, it does give me a bit of an advantage of identifying the bike as well as the rider, and/or his attire. On a felony stop, it is very easy to search the bike and the contents therof with probable cause. If the jacket is found in/or on the bike, that is more credible in court. The reason it is credible in court is because if I testify that I saw a motorcycle driving at 100mph, and the rider had a green and black Kawasaki jacket, etc... that is all on the dispatch tape. Now when you are pulled over, (not wearing any jacket), and I describe the jacket that I had seen, (yet it is not out for me to see it now) and we find the jacket that I had described earlier, that is very credible in court. How could I describe something that was hidden if I hadn't seen it earlier?
I am very easy going, and am not one to give any motorcyclist a ticket.. unless he/she is recklessly endangering innocent people... If you don't run from me... I will ALWAYS give a verbal warning. I realize not all officers are like me.. but I think parents, clergy and police officers are all the same... and that is that we hate lying. Just own up to it. Just as there are officers that are jerks out there... there are also drivers that are jerks. I won't treat you like a jerk if you don't treat me like a jerk. Now as the very wise V2K_CCTX throws out a very intelligent statement of,
"however if the idiot chasing you can't drive to save his life (99% of cops out there) then he should call it in and NOT risk only himself, but the public in a high speed chase..." I can't help but to get a bit angry. Not all officers make the best decision everytime... and as I stated, there are bad cops... but remember, had you not exceeded a posted speed limit, you would not have to see how absolutely horrible the officers drive. I will ask one question to you though... why do I wear a heavy, and hot bulletproof vest??!! It is because when most people are running from the bullets someone is shooting at you, I am going towards the bullets. I have a family... yet I will protect that drug dealer when he calls, when a deal has gone wrong.... putting my life on the line when someone is trying to kill him. Oh wait.. I get paid for that. $60,000... most of you guys make that in the trades... I only do it because I get to ruin people's days, right? I do it because I am trying to do my best to help people. Yet if I happen to shoot one of the drug dealers... then I will be questioned and critiqued. Although I have saved people's lives... there are still people out there who say that I "can't drive to save my life"... well the truth is... I am not driving to save my life... I am driving to save other's lives. I am trained every year in Emergency driving techniques. Most (and I do say most) of the people running are not trained in "running from the cops school"... and they are willing to risk others lives in exchange for a ticket... or worse yet... their license. Everyone speeds... I have had tickets... just own up to it and maybe pick a better place to violate the law, where you can only kill yourself. I am not a hypocrit... and I am not a holier than thou.... and I don't look down on those that admitted to running, and even getting away with it, but I will speak up when a person makes a rediculous statement. There are two sides to every coin... and I admit that. however, If a person wasn't breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to run... and the other side is... just because a person breaks the law, doesn't mean that the officer has to 'get' him... but I follow my Procedure with any and every chase... but you weren't following the speed limit. Who is correct??? I say both sides have to use good, sound judgement... but at least I am following the rules as they have been decided by the government. If you disagree... then get into politics and change it... or don't ride at a high rate of speed where police officers might 'lurk'.... Now, it does just so happen, that I like doughnuts.... MMMMMmmmmmm Sorry for the rant
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posted July 17, 2007 02:24 AM
Man that I understand ya'll if you want to stop but I have had my experience. Now if I am doing nothing wrong and they are just checking up, I'll stop and shoot the shit with them. Somtimes they are just trying to help like when I was pulled over because he noticed My tag was hanging on by hopes and dreams. But If I am rolling, I'm out. No way in the hell am I staying there. I mean shit in the blink of an eye, I am out of sight anyway so the hell with them.
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posted July 17, 2007 11:37 AM
Stop and Go
A couple years ago a friend and I were riding to meet up with buds on Forth of July weekend for breakfast.
This was 8am, traffic was light and all the road repair workers had the week end off.
We were traveling on the interstates mostly 95mph with an occasional burst of 115- 120mph for about 20 miles. As we got to our destination we slowed down for the off ramp (I was behind my friend) I noticed flashing blue and red's (SHIT) I can't see anything in my mirrors after 60 mph. I was in 6th gear and doing 30 mph. Not a great position for a hasty retreat. This cop pulled in front of me, slammed on his breaks and bolted out of his car with gun drawn.
Cop ordered me off the bike, usual other bullshit, hands where I can see them, slowly remove the helmet.......
Cuffed and thrown into the his car he wanted to know where my riding buddy went. I told him I met him on the highway and we were just riding. He told me that he was chasing us for 13 miles. I said chasing me? if you were chasing me I would be doing 170/180 mph not 95. He asked why I didn't stop then, I can't see anything in my mirrors past 60 mph was my reply.
While sitting in his cruiser I heard over his radio all these at-a-boys for catching the bad biker-boys.
I got a evading /eluding, speeding in excess of 110 mph in a construction zone and reckless driving and released on own recognizance cause it was the beginning of a 3 day holiday (very lucky)
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posted July 17, 2007 12:18 PM
I'm gonna tell you, I enjoy my speed spurts as well as the next guy, but 3boysand3bikes does make a good point. Basically, we reap what we sow. I saw a YouTube video once where this ass-monkey held-up a bank and had taken a few people hostage. He demanded a sportsbike to make his getaway. I do not recall where this took place... perhaps Italy? Anyway, once the guy was on his way a police office pulled his car in front of the motorcycle forcing him to crash into the side of the car and he went flying over the hood onto the pavement, and the cop did not care that there were news crews and helicopters getting footage. They caught the guy and the cop was applauded. In the home of the free our police would have to chase him through 6 or more counties before either giving up the chase or follow him until he runs out of gas. The police have their hands tied vigorously behind their backs in this country so I don't blame people for running. Chances are they will get away with it, or they will get a slap on the wrist. I personally will not run because I do not want to be one of those guys I see on the news everyday taking the cops on a daylight stroll through the California streets.
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posted July 17, 2007 12:32 PM
Sorry. I do not know how to make it so the video shows in the post, but here is the link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zCJPN_H9LcQ
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posted July 17, 2007 02:28 PM
Get prepaid legal and pull over. Dont admit to ANYTHING!!!!
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"I'm sure you you will tell me."
No bad ass tude, No excuses, The less said the better for YOU!
Prepaid will do your talking for you when it matters in COURT!
Anything you say to the cop WILL be on the report and usually "modified for the worse
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posted July 17, 2007 03:46 PM
quote:
Get prepaid legal and pull over. Dont admit to ANYTHING!!!!
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"I'm sure you you will tell me."
No bad ass tude, No excuses, The less said the better for YOU!
Prepaid will do your talking for you when it matters in COURT!
Anything you say to the cop WILL be on the report and usually "modified for the worse
Sounds like someone has had his share of bad moments with the Po-Po.
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posted July 17, 2007 07:58 PM
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There are numerous police officers on this Forum... (which I am one)... and I would never chase anyone that runs in a high speed chase unless there is a high probability that the subject will cause great bodily harm if allowed to go free. I will add that I live in a rural area with enough local departments that identifying and stopping the subject usually can be done in a controlled way that takes the risk out of endangering the innocent public. We also are pretty aware of the bikes in the area and who owns/rides them. As stated in another post, it comes down to the court testimony of the parties involved. Even if the subject is lost from view, it is not very hard to identify the bike and rider. As a motorcycle enthusiast, it does give me a bit of an advantage of identifying the bike as well as the rider, and/or his attire. On a felony stop, it is very easy to search the bike and the contents therof with probable cause. If the jacket is found in/or on the bike, that is more credible in court. The reason it is credible in court is because if I testify that I saw a motorcycle driving at 100mph, and the rider had a green and black Kawasaki jacket, etc... that is all on the dispatch tape. Now when you are pulled over, (not wearing any jacket), and I describe the jacket that I had seen, (yet it is not out for me to see it now) and we find the jacket that I had described earlier, that is very credible in court. How could I describe something that was hidden if I hadn't seen it earlier?
I am very easy going, and am not one to give any motorcyclist a ticket.. unless he/she is recklessly endangering innocent people... If you don't run from me... I will ALWAYS give a verbal warning. I realize not all officers are like me.. but I think parents, clergy and police officers are all the same... and that is that we hate lying. Just own up to it. Just as there are officers that are jerks out there... there are also drivers that are jerks. I won't treat you like a jerk if you don't treat me like a jerk. Now as the very wise V2K_CCTX throws out a very intelligent statement of,
"however if the idiot chasing you can't drive to save his life (99% of cops out there) then he should call it in and NOT risk only himself, but the public in a high speed chase..." I can't help but to get a bit angry. Not all officers make the best decision everytime... and as I stated, there are bad cops... but remember, had you not exceeded a posted speed limit, you would not have to see how absolutely horrible the officers drive. I will ask one question to you though... why do I wear a heavy, and hot bulletproof vest??!! It is because when most people are running from the bullets someone is shooting at you, I am going towards the bullets. I have a family... yet I will protect that drug dealer when he calls, when a deal has gone wrong.... putting my life on the line when someone is trying to kill him. Oh wait.. I get paid for that. $60,000... most of you guys make that in the trades... I only do it because I get to ruin people's days, right? I do it because I am trying to do my best to help people. Yet if I happen to shoot one of the drug dealers... then I will be questioned and critiqued. Although I have saved people's lives... there are still people out there who say that I "can't drive to save my life"... well the truth is... I am not driving to save my life... I am driving to save other's lives. I am trained every year in Emergency driving techniques. Most (and I do say most) of the people running are not trained in "running from the cops school"... and they are willing to risk others lives in exchange for a ticket... or worse yet... their license. Everyone speeds... I have had tickets... just own up to it and maybe pick a better place to violate the law, where you can only kill yourself. I am not a hypocrit... and I am not a holier than thou.... and I don't look down on those that admitted to running, and even getting away with it, but I will speak up when a person makes a rediculous statement. There are two sides to every coin... and I admit that. however, If a person wasn't breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to run... and the other side is... just because a person breaks the law, doesn't mean that the officer has to 'get' him... but I follow my Procedure with any and every chase... but you weren't following the speed limit. Who is correct??? I say both sides have to use good, sound judgement... but at least I am following the rules as they have been decided by the government. If you disagree... then get into politics and change it... or don't ride at a high rate of speed where police officers might 'lurk'.... Now, it does just so happen, that I like doughnuts.... MMMMMmmmmmm Sorry for the rant
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posted July 17, 2007 08:57 PM
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Get prepaid legal and pull over. Dont admit to ANYTHING!!!!
"Do you know why I pulled you over?"
"I'm sure you you will tell me."
No bad ass tude, No excuses, The less said the better for YOU!
Prepaid will do your talking for you when it matters in COURT!
Anything you say to the cop WILL be on the report and usually "modified for the worse
I will agree with most of what he says.... in the 'older days'... it was taught in schools for the officer to ask, "do you know why I stopped you?"... to which the reply was, "I ran a red light"... or " I was speeding"... now that is written on the ticket for the Judge to read... and it is an admission. It is best to keep quiet. (Some officers still use this technique.) Also, Remember... there are always at least THREE sides to every story... your side, the officer's side, and the truth. Not that all people lie... but remember, part of truth is perception. The statement, "usually modified for the worse" may be true for a few officers... but since 95, I have worked with a lot of officers... and most of them were straight forward. Now if you get in a Big City... I can't comment because I never have seen it or done it. I would have to believe that there is a lot more corruption in the Cities. (I have seen officers that were mad that issued tickets for as many things as they could think of to people that were jerks. This is like a get you back mentality. I don't think it is cool. Regardless, don't admit to something, but do not lie about it either. Peace...
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ZXLNT
Needs a job
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posted July 17, 2007 09:06 PM
For sure, I always say, " I have no idea why you stopped me".. Or something along those lines.
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V2K_CCTX
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posted July 18, 2007 05:25 AM
3Boysand3Bikes
No offense was meant to you and your serve in a very noble profession. Where I live though, we do not have police officers of your caliber. The theme here is "revenue raising" under the guise of "public safety". I won't run, nor will I admit any wrong doing, but I am always respectful and cooperative, because here, if your not, they take you in anyway, while they impound your bike. Some low budget tow company throws chains around your bike and drags it up the flatbed. Seen it many many times. And here, unless you have GOD as your witness literally, the judge WILL always take the officers side. And here, ANY reason you give them to be an ass is one more thing for them to "cure the boredom" with. And the 99% can't drive comment was directed again down here in S. TX as the other day, Mr. local officer nearly lane changed right thru me on my Vulcan.
In the future, I will be more specific in the geographic area, and I wish we had more officers like 3Boysand3Bikes on the roads.
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