reckless
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posted July 15, 2007 01:15 PM
How about we modify the flies?
Ok, this may be a stupid question but I am going to ask anyway.
I have read all that I can about "removing the flies" vs Ivan's approach etc.
My question is this; How about we modify the flies instead of taking them out completely?
As a rider who uses his 14 for everything from commuting to long vacations with the girlfriend on the back and luggage I want a couple of things from my 14. Less weight is one, another is to get rid of the annoying lag in power when I open the throttle from lower rpm. I mean my ZX 11 pulled harder! What I don't want is something that is uncontrolable or worse unpredictable on a wet road that I don't know two up.
No matter what approach is taken to modifying the engine a PCIII is needed. So what I propose is this; trim the edges or drill holes in the flies to allow more air flow, (similar to what happens in the higher gears when the flies open earlier) but leave enough to allow the computer to open the flies as the rpm's increase to avoid the sudden low end torque that makes the bike a beast. A PCIII would be needed to correct the A/F ratio but we need one of those when we do anything to the bike.
A performance shop could sell a pipe, PCIII with map and a set of modified flies as a combo. The flies could be on an exchange basis like re-ground cams are.
Any feedback? Im I crazy to think this?
  
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TeamSpeed
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posted July 15, 2007 01:27 PM
The bike is not a beast down low with the flies out, it feels correct, like the way it should be from the factory. Just take the flies out and spend a day driving afterwards to learn the throttle a bit. It has been discussed before, but once you get the flies out, there is no reason to put them back in, stock or modified.
My 12r had more lowend torque than the 14 before the mod, but the 14 gets it back with the flies out.
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Xtremespeed
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posted July 15, 2007 01:42 PM
What he said^.
It's definately not abrupt with the flies out. Still very predictable and smooth. After you have them out for a day or two, you'll forget they are even gone. I felt the same as you, but after taking them out, I would never go back.
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THEMADKAW
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posted July 15, 2007 03:34 PM
i thought about drilling mine too. starting small and working my way up. but everyone told me the same thing! just take them out. which is what i will probably do. after riding a '00 12 for 7 years i don't think it will be a hard adjustment.
But i'm still curious to see how well drilling them would work!
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Xtremespeed
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posted July 15, 2007 05:04 PM
Even with the flies out, the throttle is still a lot smoother and predictable than my 01 12 was. You won't regret it.
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johnsonzx14
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posted July 15, 2007 07:32 PM
Yeah, pull them puppies out.. Its the best mod I have ever done on a bike.. And dont forget this mod is freeeeeeee!!
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FasterThanStink
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posted July 15, 2007 07:56 PM
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Yeah, pull them puppies out.. Its the best mod I have ever done on a bike.. And dont forget this mod is freeeeeeee!!
Unless you have a source for free power commanders it is not free. Without re-mapping you will be very lean in the lower rev range.
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stevewfl
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posted July 15, 2007 08:11 PM
There is a plethora of info on flies out if one does a search. And there are even directions on top to search the forum using a common tool such as google
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V2K_CCTX
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posted July 16, 2007 04:41 AM
Just pull them out. They're like restrictor plates in racing. Its just not natural. With them out the bike just feels more natural and smoother. Power is consistant and predictable.
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johnsonzx14
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posted July 16, 2007 02:01 PM
yeah, he was right about that power commander too.. Definately get that.... its a must..
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fastestbusaaround
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posted July 16, 2007 05:32 PM
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The bike is not a beast down low with the flies out, it feels correct, like the way it should be from the factory. Just take the flies out and spend a day driving afterwards to learn the throttle a bit. It has been discussed before, but once you get the flies out, there is no reason to put them back in, stock or modified.
My 12r had more lowend torque than the 14 before the mod, but the 14 gets it back with the flies out.
Exactly -- it's with the flies in that it feels somehow "genetically modified", not with the flies out. To me, a bike thats very soft down low -- and then literally jumps abnormally hard at 6K, well that's where you have an issue. The 14 was designed to be ridden with the flies out, not in. Learn to throttle properly and you'll be just fine, despite what the folks at Kawasaki want you to think.
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ZXGRIFF
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posted July 16, 2007 05:47 PM
I've had my flies out since 130 miles..... I should have pulled them out at 0.0!  The bike feels so much better. So, to all, pull them puppies out!!! You won't regret it.... Unless you just don't like low end torque.
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 16, 2007 08:24 PM
lose the flies!!!!
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3Boysand3Bikes
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posted July 17, 2007 09:22 PM
There was a thread in here that talked about drilling out the flied... someone out there that was a mechanic, or maybe an engineer.. (whatever) explained that drillig out the flies will create turbulant air and the bike will run bad in any throttle position. When the fly removal first came up on here, I thought of the drilling also... but I will tell you that I ride 2 up a lot.. and I also ride to and from work so I have been caught in the rain... and the flies out motor is the most predictable and controlable feel for the 14. Not to mention the acceleration that is needed to get around in traffic, (especially with a rider). Trust us, for the 1 to 2 hours that it takes, (and the $280) it is a no brainer.... I can't think of a time that I thought, "I wish I had the flies in". Just to reiterate.... drilling the flies will not get you any better than pulling them completely out. IMHO Good Luck
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wildone
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posted July 18, 2007 04:24 AM
Anyone cound tell me how to unmount the
flies on my ZX14r -06??
I have a set of Scorpion Carbon with the dbkillers out.
what is the function of the "flies"..????something to do
with emissions/reducing exhaust???
Tankful for a simple quickieguide in how to do it
any electric cables to consider bout??
will a T.R.E. make any difference??
will a PC3 with mapping & dynobench??
Regards Roger
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fastestbusaaround
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posted July 18, 2007 08:56 AM
Use the search button; there's a plethora of info in this site! Many of us have done it already with great sucess.
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