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posted April 22, 2007 03:28 PM
Choppy @ 6K RPM
between 5 and 6K rpm, the 14 is choppy. ill hold the throttle steady and she sputters and bucks back and forth. towards the end of last summer i removed the flies and had bill (zx1kr) make up a custom map. im thinking it has to do with the fly removal and mapping, as it is still bone stock except for +1 rear sprocket, pc3 and no flies. it has done this since the mapping and fly removal - but after a decent ride i found it to be very annoying. does anyone else running bills map experience this? for those who are not familiar - bill (zx1kr) is a site sponsor - his business is called cycle paint & metal. im very pleased with the map and everything, but this roughness is pretty annoying. im gonna give bill a ring in the next few days and see what he says, but i wanted to run it past you guys and hear some opinions.
other than that, today was absolutely beautiful on long island. i rode aggressively for 4 hours and im pretty tuckered out from the nonstop adrenaline. scraped peg and fairing, and fucked up my alpinestars supertechs. 
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zxbob
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posted April 22, 2007 03:49 PM
Your problem is in the mapping. But just for fun, go remove the foreman grills and
check the clamps on your intake and airbox boots at the injector bodies. Some other
members have reported them loose ?
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bigdtd
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posted April 22, 2007 04:10 PM
get a brocks setup and map no problems
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posted April 22, 2007 04:39 PM
 Edited By: tonytooth on 22 Apr 2007 17:42
Mine did it bad until I got it mapped. Even then it is still hard to completely remove. Its a 14 thing, don't feel like its only your issue. They are so neutered from the factory, when you open them up, they starve for fuel. A map will do wonders. Brocks pipe w/his map or custom map should do the trick. I can still make mine do it slightly if I really try (high gear, lug motor, full throttle).
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countersteer
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posted April 22, 2007 05:17 PM
bob, ill pull the plastics and check it out, thanks for the heads up. bill tuned mine pretty good, its just a bit jerky when going thru 5k - 6k. i figured it was probably a small fluke in the map - ill get in touch with him sometime soon.
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tonytooth
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posted April 22, 2007 05:23 PM
Sorry I understood wrong, I didn't realize you had a custom map. I thought you installed someone elses map. Hmm, let me know what you find out.
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countersteer
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posted April 22, 2007 05:23 PM
Edited By: countersteer on 22 Apr 2007 18:24
bigdtd and tony- i have a minor fuel management issue, and your logic is for me to waste money buying an aftermarket exhaust system and run some free generic starter map. if i wanted a pipe it would be a ti orient express tuned by joey hahn.
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countersteer
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posted April 22, 2007 05:24 PM
Edited By: countersteer on 22 Apr 2007 18:28
yes, this is a tuned map - im sure itll only take bill a few minutes to sort out. i need to head out there and talk to his painter too.
what in the map do you suppose is causing this?
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Bently
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posted April 22, 2007 05:35 PM
If your refering to Brocks maps as being a generic starter map you could'nt be farther from the truth. My bike and A freinds hayabusa were both dynoed last weekend and both bikes were so close to perfect the dyno operator said there was nothing he could do to improve on them. My 14 189.8 hp and his Busa 171 hp. ran within 10 minutes of each other. yesterday at the track I went 9.33 with a crap 60 ft no fault of the map, and he went 9.73 on his Busa . Both times were personal best for us.
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posted April 22, 2007 05:42 PM
Edited By: countersteer on 22 Apr 2007 18:43
bently, thats great and all and im really happy for you and your friend...  but im not into the whole "canned" map idea. i believe in custom tailoring on a dyno and not using a free download - they really only serve as a good baseline to get you started.
and im not jumping onto the brock bandwagon with everyone else either.
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tonytooth
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posted April 22, 2007 06:08 PM
Countersteer,
Please understand I am in agreement with you. I am not a big fan of shrink wrapped maps either. I have a custom map with a TiForce pipe. When I put the pipe on before mapping, it had a bad stumble, now after map it's very minor and hard to find. None the less, it's stll not completely gone. If you get the answer and do infact get it completely cleared out by tuning, please let me know what you did or better yet, would you be will to share the new map with me so I can compare with mine and maybe do some tweeking to mine. The only reason I mentioned Brock is because if you are going to use an outside map, his maps would be the best ones to use.
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posted April 22, 2007 08:05 PM
CS, I doubt you'll find a pipe a waste of money... any pipe would do you alot better than the stuffed up converters that come on the bike!
Hows the 12r rebuild comin along?
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countersteer
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posted April 22, 2007 08:09 PM
dude im pickin up the 12 this tuesday, thursday the latest 
a pipe would be a waste of money if i have no intention on buying one for the 14. purchasing a $1000 pipe to fix a minor mapping flaw isnt exactly efficient.
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BlackMagic14
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posted April 22, 2007 09:44 PM
I woulds agree with everyone else prolly a map issue between 5 and 6... also FYI I have had my bike on the dyno 6 or 6 times tuning for nitrous and such and not one time has a dyno operator been able to improve on Brocks "generic" starter map Each and every time the A/F looks like someone drew it with a ruler LMAO but I am glad you arent jumping on the Brocks "bandwagon" less competition for the rest of us LMAO , but good luck with the stumbling issue a friend of mine had that problem had it remapped and it was way better
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posted April 23, 2007 02:05 AM
Maybe I should have mine custom mapped so I can have a stumble, Because i don't have one now. And I'm sure not saying what I am because I think you should buy A Brock pipe. But start giving credit where It's due Because I think If you can read. You would understand Brocks Maps Have many hours of development on the dyno and countless number of passes at the track.
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zxbob
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posted April 23, 2007 03:03 AM
This is as much fun as an oil thread ....
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tonytooth
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posted April 23, 2007 04:33 AM
In my case, the map was not the cause of the stumble. The stumble came about as soon as I installed my pipe (mapping came later). The custom map played no part in creating this (rather fixing it). Some people got a stumble when they began de-neutered there bike and others never did. This is more of an individual case by case basis. Every bike is different, that's why I went for a custom map. You can take 5 identical bikes of the show room floor and map them. Open all the maps in the PC software and compare, very few map points will match up (if any). The trend of fuel may show similarities in areas but to find two custom maps that match up perfectly is nearly impossible. I personally haven't found 2 that even have more than a few simular points.
Obviously as shown here by myself and countersteer, we both ended up with the same issue but our mods aren't even close.
Countersteer,
Just to prove that it is not the map (Bill's fault), try installing any other no-flies map and take it for a ride, guaranteed you still have it (I've tried it). If you need a map, PM me your address, I have a couple no flies maps you can try. Please let me know if you do infact get the stumble completely tuned out by fixing your map. Save your old map and the new one so we can compare. Maybe I can get lucky and eliminate mine completely. Thanx!
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posted April 23, 2007 04:53 AM
quote:
dude im pickin up the 12 this tuesday, thursday the latest
a pipe would be a waste of money if i have no intention on buying one for the 14. purchasing a $1000 pipe to fix a minor mapping flaw isnt exactly efficient.
Wow!
Bro...little sensitive aren't we! LOL
I agree, its likely the map, ign timing may be what you feel as well.
I Just meant that a pipe would make you much happier than those stupid, heavy , hot , stuffed up cats, and that I would not consider one a waste of money,
......... unless the bike already has too much power for ya :P LOL
Relax, don't do it !
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posted April 23, 2007 10:30 AM
entered the 14 in the first semdra race of the season 4/21 at sgmp, and it put all the bikes in super street on the trailer except one. we got runner up using brocks map and pipe, the bike runs flawlessly through all rpms. i hope you don't use a brocks setup so you will be one of the ones going on the trailer early, too.
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posted April 23, 2007 01:53 PM
I have a Brock map/pipe and have tried other maps, some leaner some richer, but have zero issue with sputtering or hesitation for that matter...
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posted April 23, 2007 02:02 PM
Am using a modified AP map on my bike and have a slight hesitation at 3K before all hell brakes loose.
If I find a map that doesn't have the stutter, but is not as good in the other rev ranges is it simply a matter of comparing the 2 and playing with the AP map to try to overcome the stutter? (will dyno eventually)
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posted April 23, 2007 04:42 PM
CS...So what did Joe have to do to the 12 motor?....What's it have in it now???
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posted April 23, 2007 06:13 PM
I'm not touching this thread with a 10 foot pole ....
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BlackMagic14
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posted April 23, 2007 09:32 PM
Smokin you Chicken Crow for us LMAO
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posted April 24, 2007 05:53 AM
Mine has a little flatspot right off idle when I take off in first, then it starts pullin. It don't really bother me though. If I give it a few revs and ride the clutch out some, it doesn't do it. My 14 runs very smooth and pulls like crazy. I love how my 14 runs. My map is custom, but it wasn't made specifically for my mods. I got it from someone that had a wideband setup on his bike.
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