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posted March 03, 2007 12:50 PM
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Mis-representation by Suzuki?
"2007 HayabusaTM 1300
As they say, it ain't bragging if it's true. So when we claim that the Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R is the fastest production bike on the planet, we're merely stating the facts."
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This is the opening paragraph on the Suzuki website for the 2007 Hayabusa. At Bonneville they were only doing 165-170 mph top speed (stock) The 14 went 189 mph (stock) and broke the AMA National record. Isn't this misrepresentation?
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posted March 03, 2007 01:19 PM
its cause of the 1999 busa had no limitor and ran faster than 186 mph... now all motorcycles only run 186mph.... thats why the busa will always be the worlds fastest bike
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posted March 03, 2007 07:59 PM
dont understand what you are saying. Doug Meyer ran 192.307 at Maxton in 1.16 miles bone stock.. on a hot day..what are you talking about?
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posted March 03, 2007 08:03 PM
One thing I've noticed is the ZX14 has not gotten the "following" and brand loyalty Suzuki has enjoyed with the 'busa.
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posted March 03, 2007 09:36 PM
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One thing I've noticed is the ZX14 has not gotten the "following" and brand loyalty Suzuki has enjoyed with the 'busa.
Because there are fewer smart people :-) .......they will learn though :-)
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posted March 04, 2007 06:03 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 4 Mar 2007 18:04
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dont understand what you are saying. Doug Meyer ran 192.307 at Maxton in 1.16 miles bone stock.. on a hot day..what are you talking about?
how when the limitor stops it a 186mph... if anything is touched it won't count.., strait out of the crate to the track stock.... stock 186 is like 170 mph gps
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posted March 04, 2007 08:36 PM
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dont understand what you are saying. Doug Meyer ran 192.307 at Maxton in 1.16 miles bone stock.. on a hot day..what are you talking about?
You have to compare apples with apples. Bonneville was 6,500 feet density altitude for both bikes running same day within hours.
Maxton is at sea level. At sea level the engine develops more power and thus more speed. There was no side by side stock Busa comparison that I know of at the venue. Maybe Doug can bring some light as to his stock competition at the time. .
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posted March 04, 2007 10:18 PM
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its cause of the 1999 busa had no limitor and ran faster than 186 mph... now all motorcycles only run 186mph.... thats why the busa will always be the worlds fastest bike
Suzuki claims the Busa "to be" the Worlds' fastest bike. (Present tense grammer). The fact that the statement is under the new 2007 Busa's description is quite misleading. If a new Busa owner were to take his bike to Bonnevillle or Maxton or wherever and a stock 14 beat him or even tied him for top speed could the new owner sue Suzuki for mis-representation? Any lawyers in the group?
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posted March 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Edited By: flyboy on 4 Mar 2007 22:24
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posted March 05, 2007 05:26 AM
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Has anyone contacted Suzuki?
This has been discussed before and I said at the time that last September my friend Mike Grainger went through the speed traps at Woodbrige at 198.7mph on a standard ZZR1400/ZX14, just a Speedo Healer fitted. Without the SH it would have max'd out at 186 plus or minus any speedo error. The bike was the showroom demo' from GT Motorcycles, nothing special about it at all. That is now the Class 1 record at 200mph.org.
As already mentioned, now there is a voluntary 186mph/300kph limit from the manufacturers the faster bikes should all hit this speed and no faster. That's Hayabusa, ZX-12, ZX-14 etc.
Perhaps what they are trying to say is that nothing out of the showroom will be any faster.
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posted March 05, 2007 06:00 AM
"So when we claim that the Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R is the fastest production bike on the planet, we're merely stating the facts."
C'mon guys, they're trying to sell bikes with 
And fact thing is, they have such brand loyalty going on people believe that crap.
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posted March 05, 2007 07:54 AM
Scott Guthrie held the record for a "stock busa" at Maxton with 192mph speed. His was a 2000 model. Stock except for mirrors and rear fender from what I remember. I think its been broken since with a modified later model busa by someone else.
Im pretty sure the Millholland family still holds some records with their stock motor Zx12.. but you might want to research it.
Dont get caught up in marketing talk or stupid bench racing garbage. Take the bikes to a drag strip and see which bike puts up the mph. Guaranteed a good running Zx12 (or 14 for that matter) will out mph a busa every time!
The best part about finding a clueless rider is sending them away with them scratching their head wondering "Why did my, so called, fastest bike in the world just get passed by a ZX12??"...lol
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posted March 05, 2007 10:16 AM
Do we really care about stock records. I know it's nice to know you have the fastest production bike. What do we do with our bikes....., we pipe them and then we pc them, and so on and so on. Isn't this real world stats, I think so. I know I was upset when I had a busa, and then some bike mag. tested bolt ons and it then appear that the zx 12 was the faster of the two. That was sucks. That test spooked me!!
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posted March 05, 2007 11:11 AM
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posted March 05, 2007 12:15 PM
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Do we really care about stock records.
From a real world standpoint yes. It shows what the bikes are capable of in owners hands.
Not all motorcycle buyers want to live in a vacuum like Yamaha wants...lol
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I know it's nice to know you have the fastest production bike. What do we do with our bikes....., we pipe them and then we pc them, and so on and so on.
Sometimes you ride them stock home from the dealer...lol. Its also nice to be able to exploit the limits of your fast motorcycle.
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Isn't this real world stats, I think so. I know I was upset when I had a busa, and then some bike mag. tested bolt ons and it then appear that the zx 12 was the faster of the two. That was sucks. That test spooked me!!
You got upset over some fluffy publication that is nothing more than a "sell to the highest bidder, full color, 60 page brochure" for the bike of the season? Suzuki did a great service in 1999... but did a disservice after 2003 to the general buying public with that sorry BNG sales tactic. You know that was pure profit for them when every egomaniacal,retard without paulsy in his wrist bought a 1300cc hyperbike they had no business on in the first place.
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posted March 05, 2007 06:31 PM
I care about records.And for the record I love my 14 !
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posted March 05, 2007 07:56 PM
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I care about records.And for the record I love my 14 !
+1
the ZX14 is just one of those things....liked or hated, but never ignored
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posted March 06, 2007 05:13 AM
I think this topic compares to a bracket race at a dragstrip. Sure a stock pinto could beat a railcar if it was spotted enough lengths, but we all know the railcar is faster 
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posted March 06, 2007 10:44 AM
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I care about records.And for the record I love my 14 !
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the ZX14 is just one of those things....liked or hated, but never ignored
Hey listen. What I meant was that at the time when I had a Busa, [before my beloved 14] I was upset because the zx 12 was suppose to be the slower than the busa, but it was actually the faster bike with bolt ons. So what did the busa record actually mean......nothing.
Well to me anyway because I knew better.
This is the way I am. If I know what the truth is, I don't care what people think or say. Some say the zx 14 is not so good and that the busa is still right with it, again I don't care because it's not the truth. English is my second language, so maybe you did not understand what I actually meant. I would love to see a test of the zx 14 with some bolt on mods, because that would be more impressive. Do you understand now.
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posted March 06, 2007 10:55 AM
My 14 will be on a trailer with a 'beautiful 'busa heading to Daytona this week, and this topic of debate will be the last thing discussed in the truck lol
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posted March 06, 2007 11:12 AM
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My 14 will be on a trailer with a 'beautiful 'busa heading to Daytona this week, and this topic of debate will be the last thing discussed in the truck lol
Yep, I agree. Both bikes is good. I would still love to have a busa. But the people is sensitive about these topics. Even here with us you must be carefull what you say. Then I would also like to have a zx 12 for that matter. A few years ago I had a gs 1000 suzuki. What a nice bike for touring that one was. But I must say the 14 is special.
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posted March 06, 2007 12:01 PM
"Slower" - "Faster", whatever... if you're secure with your manhood it doesn't matter a jot.
In the real world for street use, flexibility, throttle response, and handling are what matters.
If you're in competition, how long will you leave it stock anyway!?
I can see the point about the advertising blurb being misleading, but that's the N.American way. If anyone's dumb enough to believe that stuff without doing the research then tough luck.
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