twisted1
Parking Attendant
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posted January 17, 2007 05:57 AM
looking for stock flys out -map-
Hey Guys!
Just got my 14 last saturday.
Blue ....
So right now it's basicly stock other than I made a blue rear brake line.
Last night I pulled the flys and took the screen off the filter.,,,, at 2am
So have not ridden it yet and of course its raining here now. (florida)
Have a PCIII on order and looking for a stock bike flys out map if someone could share.. it would be greatly appreciated! twisted1@twistedbikes.com
Isn't there a place where we store and post maps so we don't have to mess with each other for something this basic???
If not I have a website... www.twistedbikes.com and could put a link on it for maps....
send them to me and I'll upload to the site ... just a thought...
Thanks guys!
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Stalwart
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posted January 17, 2007 07:54 AM
Since you already have a PC3 coming, PM zx1kr and buy a map from him. If you had asked about this first you could have saved money by ordering a PC3 from him and had it come with the map already loaded.
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LandspeedLarry
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posted January 17, 2007 08:34 AM
Just go on the Powercommander website. They have a map for the European model with the flys removed.
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ninja14
Pro
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posted January 17, 2007 09:41 AM
BUY a map..........there are plenty around and you don't need it anyway. I actually just pulled my PC off when I did my AF tests and ended up leaving it off. I have a few maps if anyone wants one anyway......but the PC is not NEEDED if you do flies and pipes.
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havabusa12r
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posted January 17, 2007 09:14 PM
maps sent to above e-mail addy
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BobC
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posted January 18, 2007 04:49 AM
There seems to be a difference of opinion on this forum about whether the A/F ratio is too lean or ok with the secondary butterfly's removed. Depends who you believe !
If the engine management system does not achieve a stoichiometric air/fuel mixture but runs lean on light loads then damage will occur sooner or later. I have seen a map showing the ratio off-the-scale on partial throttle before re-mapping with the butterfly's removed, and remember that's the area most mileage is done in.
I can't tell you guys what to do but strongly suggest that if you remove the butterfly's without installing a Power Commander - at least take the bike along to your tuner to get the A/F measured on part throttle.
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wrongway
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posted January 18, 2007 06:03 AM
quote:
There seems to be a difference of opinion on this forum about whether the A/F ratio is too lean or ok with the secondary butterfly's removed. Depends who you believe !
If the engine management system does not achieve a stoichiometric air/fuel mixture but runs lean on light loads then damage will occur sooner or later. I have seen a map showing the ratio off-the-scale on partial throttle before re-mapping with the butterfly's removed, and remember that's the area most mileage is done in.
the partial throttle for cruising is 10% or less. I dont think that flies in or out change the air flow at this range. To prove this point , look at the maps on the power commander site and compare the map for a stock bike and the euro flies out map. At 10 % they are close. At 20% and up they differ alot.
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I can't tell you guys what to do but strongly suggest that if you remove the butterfly's without installing a Power Commander - at least take the bike along to your tuner to get the A/F measured on part throttle.
the comparison I mentioned earlier does show the difference with flies out above 20%. maybe with a TRE the difference would not be as much , since the flies opened sooner?
Roy
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BobC
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posted January 18, 2007 06:17 AM
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the partial throttle for cruising is 10% or less. I dont think that flies in or out change the air flow at this range. To prove this point , look at the maps on the power commander site and compare the map for a stock bike and the euro flies out map. At 10 % they are close. At 20% and up they differ alot.
the comparison I mentioned earlier does show the difference with flies out above 20%. maybe with a TRE the difference would not be as much , since the flies opened sooner?
Roy
Quite right about the <10% throttle Roy and it's fine at full throttle too but that still means that every time you accelerate on a light throttle, climb a gradient, ride into a headwind or even blip before a downchange the A/F ratio is wrong.
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ninja14
Pro
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posted January 18, 2007 06:44 AM
 Edited By: ninja14 on 18 Jan 2007 06:44
I got tired of this subject so I finally tested it myself and got this
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Nelson Taylor
Zone Head
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posted January 18, 2007 09:56 AM
Thanks ninja14,
good info indeed.
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ninja14
Pro
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posted January 18, 2007 10:47 AM
I put on a wideband as part of my turbo R&D........so I wanted to share the numbers.....hope it helps.....
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