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posted January 04, 2007 07:19 PM
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FYI: I spoke to Bob Carpenter a few months back.....
His first try at a built 14 with our street meg made 225+ and he thinks he was just scratching the surface.
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posted January 04, 2007 09:47 PM
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I am a street racer aslo and i would love to do a turbo and that is my first thought but getting a street race once someone knows you have a turbo will take an act of congress plus if you do the want so rediculous handicap
Someone was working on a turbo that would be completely under the fairing, but maybe you can still hear it, I dunno.
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 04, 2007 09:48 PM
Brock did I quote you correctly about the Valve springs I sure dont want to give anyone any incorrect info
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RyuNinja14
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posted January 04, 2007 10:10 PM
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FYI: I spoke to Bob Carpenter a few months back.....
His first try at a built 14 with our street meg made 225+ and he thinks he was just scratching the surface.
Brock
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I believe there's lots more to be seen. The first 1397 busa's were not making the figures we're seeing today.
This bike isn't even a year old yet. Plenty of potential left to be found!
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bishopzx12
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posted January 05, 2007 05:45 AM
jjc1800 what ore size is that you are going with. is it the standard 2 mm which is 1417 or a 3mm like coby for the 1450.
Also brock yeha i would like to hear what you have to say about upgraded valve spring kit and when and when you would not go with aftermarket cams such as if i did just the 1450 a ported head and the tranny works should i still opt for after market cams or only do cam in the event that i do a stroker motor
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chavcat
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posted January 05, 2007 05:05 PM
1417 kit for the ZX14
You might be interested to know that Bob Carpenter believes the ZX12 head is superior to the ZX14 head; seems the ports on the 14 are too large etc.
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 05, 2007 06:14 PM
I have heard the 14 head is detuned just look at the difference between it and the 20r head
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bishopzx12
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posted January 06, 2007 04:11 PM
So i guess tha means the 14 will have some good gains with a good port job
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posted January 07, 2007 12:59 AM
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I am a street racer aslo and i would love to do a turbo and that is my first thought but getting a street race once someone knows you have a turbo will take an act of congress plus if you do the want so rediculous handicap
Someone was working on a turbo that would be completely under the fairing, but maybe you can still hear it, I dunno.
I have not had time to finish the turbo yet, but it is inside the fairing (with filter inside as well) and should end up quiter. 250..nothin' - I can get that w/o serious boost or internal mods and get better avg gas milage :-) Even w/ my added water injection and electronics I am way under what that big cc kit is going to cost. I do believe I could get close to 350 at the tire ........more later.
At least I did get the paint done - here is one:
You can see the turbine there and the comp is to the left and has a filter on. I have not yet made the pipe exiting the turbine, but it should fit inside the fairing or be damn close - stubby pipe for racing can be directed down or out of the hole in the fairing.
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bishopzx12
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posted January 07, 2007 07:01 AM
sweet are you going to be selling this kit if so how much and how much for the installed price. Though the turbo is hid can you hear it spooling up
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posted January 07, 2007 09:15 AM
I do plan to sell, but that is after the testing...
Price.......depends on how many parts you want.........prob from about $3200 and up.....
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posted January 08, 2007 05:43 AM
Ninja will that be th einstalled price. I will have nitrous on my bike in a few how will that effect the turbo or will it just be even more bang. Where are you located at?????How long will the install take roughly
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posted January 08, 2007 09:24 AM
That is price of parts............install can be done - I am in the Los Angeles area. It is not difficult - anyone w/ decent skill could put it on in a couple days.
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posted January 08, 2007 10:43 AM
now thats what i am talking about. whay type of tuning do you think would be required after the fact of installaion
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posted January 08, 2007 02:38 PM
350 hp w/o engine mods? I didn't think that was possible without forged pistons and such. What type of hp are you thinking for $3200? Sounds like something I'd be VERY intersted in.
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posted January 08, 2007 06:26 PM
ME too phytrax
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posted January 09, 2007 08:33 AM
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now thats what i am talking about. whay type of tuning do you think would be required after the fact of installaion
I would supply a safe map.........retune if you like....
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posted January 09, 2007 08:39 AM
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350 hp w/o engine mods? I didn't think that was possible without forged pistons and such. What type of hp are you thinking for $3200? Sounds like something I'd be VERY intersted in.
Base set-up has a 5.80psi (.4bar) spring - so whatever we can pull from that boost. More boost will need more parts, but I think almost nobody on a street bike riding on the streets can use the power of almost 6psi.
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posted January 09, 2007 08:48 AM
One of the big reasons to go turbo instead of big bore is that you don't have to remove the whole damn motor.........PIA. A bigger motor is a bigger motor, but I prefere the stock-like ride when there is no boost and then when you want some......BAM! - it's on.
BUT - they each have their place. I would love to take the big bore for a spin.....
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posted January 09, 2007 08:50 AM
Non doubt. suppying a map to would be great now i know i am going to wait for your kit to debut. Can i quote you on this by saying 350 hp with no internal mods.I already have the muzzy NO2 and air-shifter set-up. will that be a plus. i have hear a little No2 can help a turbo spool up quicker.
Also with the new turbo set-ups is there much turbo lag. I have seen many bikes with equal riers get beat by nitrous bikes because of turbo lag. Thogh the riders were equal in talent i know you have to learn all over again how to ride with a turbo bike.
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posted January 09, 2007 09:43 AM
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Non doubt. suppying a map to would be great now i know i am going to wait for your kit to debut. Can i quote you on this by saying 350 hp with no internal mods.I already have the muzzy NO2 and air-shifter set-up. will that be a plus. i have hear a little No2 can help a turbo spool up quicker.
Also with the new turbo set-ups is there much turbo lag. I have seen many bikes with equal riers get beat by nitrous bikes because of turbo lag. Thogh the riders were equal in talent i know you have to learn all over again how to ride with a turbo bike.
Don't quote me on any numbers until I spin the dyno drum :-)
Lag sucks in your car, but on a bike it can be your friend (friends don't loop you) I am using a physically smaller turbo than the Garrett so it will have diff characteristics.
As with any high power machine it takes some skill/control from the operator.
I don't like the OFF/ON of nitrous (unless you have stages and controllers)
With a turbo you can rev the bike hard and when you clutch (apply load) it will come up quick enough when you consider traction and wheelbase issues - talk to some of the turbo riders.
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posted January 11, 2007 07:14 AM
If it's over 280hp for $3,200 I want one. I think I'll have a lot of trouble using more hp than that, but I'm willing to make the sacrifice if it comes out to be 350hp 
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posted January 11, 2007 09:59 AM
280 will require a little more .......still under $4K.........I can't give real power/price numbers yet......
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posted January 11, 2007 01:14 PM
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280 will require a little more .......still under $4K.........I can't give real power/price numbers yet......
Still sounds good. Dude, you gotta work faster!!
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posted January 25, 2007 10:24 PM
Just curious, do you expect that 1417 kit to sacrifice significant lowend and midrange power for a massive gain at high revs or do you think it will be a huge increase throughout the rev range?
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