jjc1800
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posted December 30, 2006 05:20 PM
1417 kit for zx14
I have a 2006 zx14 and i am currently having the 1417 kit installed, along with cams from orient express and the heads ported. I have brocks gen 3 exhaust on it as well. I was wondering how much hp i could expect when the progect is complete.
  
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Bently
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posted December 30, 2006 05:37 PM
Rough Guess 215-225hp, Who is doing your work?
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jjc1800
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posted December 30, 2006 05:54 PM
a guy name steve from schaffers motorsports located in baltimore. he was the head mechanic for the local cycle world, he recently opened his own shop.he built a strong motor for my friend who has a busa.
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LandspeedLarry
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posted December 30, 2006 06:28 PM
Depends on the CR, the cams, and the quality of the porting. Certainly good for 225 HP if done properly. If some is good, more is better, and too much is just enough. Enjoy.
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blackbullet76
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posted December 30, 2006 07:12 PM
Man, I don't see how yall hold to a bike that powerful. My stock 14 feels like it's going to pull me off every time I start tapping into the power above 6000rpm's.
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wrongway
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posted December 30, 2006 07:41 PM
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I have a 2006 zx14 and i am currently having the 1417 kit installed, along with cams from orient express and the heads ported. I have brocks gen 3 exhaust on it as well. I was wondering how much hp i could expect when the progect is complete.
do you have any idea what the stock heads flow and what the ported head will flow?
Just interested....
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BlackMagic14
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posted December 30, 2006 10:47 PM
I would be very carefull who you let touch that head man those stock heads are Pretty good
I think 2225 is a little high I would switch to the SMEG and then I can see maybe 218-225
on MRX or MR9 210-215 on pump
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psycho1122
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posted December 31, 2006 05:16 AM
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Man, I don't see how yall hold to a bike that powerful. My stock 14 feels like it's going to pull me off every time I start tapping into the power above 6000rpm's.
Wow! I rode a stock 14 and it feels "Soft" compared to my 1270 cc 2K 12.
I would need to ride a 14 with a pipe, flies out and a map to see what they really have......
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posted December 31, 2006 05:59 AM
Unleash the beast !!!!!!!!
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blackbullet76
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posted December 31, 2006 06:43 AM
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Wow! I rode a stock 14 and it feels "Soft" compared to my 1270 cc 2K 12.
I would need to ride a 14 with a pipe, flies out and a map to see what they really have......
Well, I came off a zx6r that I rode for about 3 years and I've only rode a 1000cc (R1) a few times. I'm still getting used to the 14. But that's what I wanted, something I wouldn't get tired of 
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Phytrax
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posted December 31, 2006 02:09 PM
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Wow! I rode a stock 14 and it feels "Soft" compared to my 1270 cc 2K 12.
I would need to ride a 14 with a pipe, flies out and a map to see what they really have......
Well, I came off a zx6r that I rode for about 3 years and I've only rode a 1000cc (R1) a few times. I'm still getting used to the 14. But that's what I wanted, something I wouldn't get tired of
I watched the movie Eragon yesterday and in a couple of scenes it makes you wonder about what it would feel like to ride a dragon like that. Then I thought about how it feels riding my 14 and I can't imagine the dragon being much more impressive than that. More speed and acceleration than you can use in almost any situation and all completely controllable.
The bike feels a bit soft stock, just pull the flies and tighten the suspension, you'll see what the fuss is about.
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blackbullet76
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posted December 31, 2006 02:35 PM
I'm not far from that. PC will be here tuesday and I bought a long magnetized #2 phillips screwdriver yesterday
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bishopzx12
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posted January 03, 2007 12:43 PM
Know thi s had been posed but i my self go toff the phone with adams a few hours ago. Earlier in the year i was going to do a stroker motor on my 14 but opted for nitrous instead.it was said that doing a piston kit for the 14 with just piston would be a waste of money for the little amount of gain in hp.
However after a thinking about it ithink next month i am going to do just that. I am going to do the adams kit which is a 1350 a 3mm bore instead of muzzys 2mm. My set-up in which i am going to do will be
1350
ported head
valves/springs tittanium retainers
web cams
race tranny
I may opt out onthe head because kawi usually have good heads from the factory but if adams reccommends it i will probably take the m up on it. I also though about opting the we cam and staying stock but i figuted if i am going to put in a valve spring kit with titanium rretainers i might as well do cams. I am thinking og 215 totally streetable machine with maybe 222-225 on mrx01 because that is the only oxygenated fuel you can spray.
any comment on my future set-up??????
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phytrax
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posted January 03, 2007 01:37 PM
Could you give us a cost breakdown on this 1417 kit?
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 03, 2007 02:45 PM
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Know thi s had been posed but i my self go toff the phone with adams a few hours ago. Earlier in the year i was going to do a stroker motor on my 14 but opted for nitrous instead.it was said that doing a piston kit for the 14 with just piston would be a waste of money for the little amount of gain in hp.
However after a thinking about it ithink next month i am going to do just that. I am going to do the adams kit which is a 1350 a 3mm bore instead of muzzys 2mm. My set-up in which i am going to do will be
1350
ported head
valves/springs tittanium retainers
web cams
race tranny
I may opt out onthe head because kawi usually have good heads from the factory but if adams reccommends it i will probably take the m up on it. I also though about opting the we cam and staying stock but i figuted if i am going to put in a valve spring kit with titanium rretainers i might as well do cams. I am thinking og 215 totally streetable machine with maybe 222-225 on mrx01 because that is the only oxygenated fuel you can spray.
any comment on my future set-up??????
I think you are mistaken the 14 is a 1352 stock think you mean 1450
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countersteer
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posted January 03, 2007 05:31 PM
one thing i have learned with building up your engine:
1) dont ask how much money
2) dont ask how much power
because you will always be disappointed.
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bishopzx12
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posted January 03, 2007 07:26 PM
Countersteer i agree with you on the point about price and power. Black magic i got you i know the 14 is 1352. I am not the best at the keyboard but if you read my post the piston kit that i was talkng about is a 1450 from adams. i do aplogize for the misprint
phytrax The price break down for my kit will be
1450 pistons 3 mmm bore $750.00
ported head $1000.00
valves/springs tittanium retainers $450.00
web cams $750.00
race tranny $450.00
I hope this helps
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 03, 2007 10:18 PM
PLus prolly another 2000 in labor so you are prolly lookin at around 3500-4000 total investment for 215 HP i would think a wet kit would be a better investment for the money
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phytrax
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posted January 03, 2007 10:50 PM
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PLus prolly another 2000 in labor so you are prolly lookin at around 3500-4000 total investment for 215 HP i would think a wet kit would be a better investment for the money
If you add $2000 labor I get about $5500 total, but if you can figure out how to make $3500+$2000=$4000, let me know, I got some shopping to do.
It is pretty pricey though. I think I'd rather have a turbo at 5psi or so for that kind of money. I'm guessing you could run close to 250hp with a turbo on the stock motor, maybe a bit more.
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 03, 2007 11:05 PM
Adams quoted me at 3700 labor and all for the same kit so that is why I said 3500-4000 but I see no point in changing the valve springs unless you are goin with some ridiculously high lift cams, according to Brock and I quote "there arent any aftermarket springs out there that are as good as stock" " the only time I would think about changing the springs is if you have to"
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bishopzx12
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posted January 04, 2007 05:15 AM
Black magic that is some good advice i guess i would knock that off my list. as far as labor the cost was only 1200 hundred bucks even if i went with a stroker. they said the whole engine on the bike has to come apart so there is no difference in the labor price as it would be doing a big bore vs a stroker on a 12. di brock say anything about aftermarket cams. My bike is at 180hp now if i drop the valve spring kit that put me at 3400 dollars if i get 215 hp thats under a hundred dollars per hp which i think is good. I am a street racer aslo and i would love to do a turbo and that is my first thought but getting a street race once someone knows you have a turbo will take an act of congress plus if you do the want so rediculous handicap
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bishopzx12
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posted January 04, 2007 05:16 AM
Oh yeah if i drop the race tranny for 450 that is really only 3300 dollars for an increase of almost 35 hp
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jjc1800
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posted January 04, 2007 04:13 PM
im getting my work at schaffers motorsport in baltimore and the labor is $1500.je pistons were $650, the bore was $550,port $850 orient express cams $675. thenyou have to add in for gaskets oil and filter.
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Bently
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posted January 04, 2007 04:59 PM
Can't wait to hear some results you guys get with your motor work
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Brock
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posted January 04, 2007 06:47 PM
FYI: I spoke to Bob Carpenter a few months back.....
His first try at a built 14 with our street meg made 225+ and he thinks he was just scratching the surface.
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