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posted November 21, 2006 11:46 AM
+2 I'm with Tankman too. Rob was being quite honorable. Fucking internet...
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posted November 21, 2006 05:42 PM
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Stu64- What we have here is a communication failure. I understand you do not have the FJR anymore and don't need the new pipe we sent you. If you return it I would be happy to send you block off plates for your new bike at no charge, as a gesture of good faith.
It looks like Rob is trying to show good costomer service and good faith. It shows he reads these threads. Be careful what you type!
Nothing against Muzzy, but I am buying a Brock Street meg and PCIII package, He gives a great deal when you buy them together and he supports ZX-14 riders and this forum. I've never seen customer service like I've received from Brock and his staff after all the emails I've sent and questions I have asked them, and I havent even bought anything from them yet.
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posted November 21, 2006 06:04 PM
i bought the brock street meg and pclll from an authorized dealer and installed them, they really perform. brock asked all the questions about setup before i ordered and he sent just the right map for my stock zx-14. after i registered at his site i got a personal e-mail within an hour from brock himself with some more maps if i wanted to try them. this person has done a lot of research and cares enough to make sure you the consumer gets the most from the products he sells. my bike runs scary fast , i cant believe the difference, it all went together easily and the instructions were very good. i would highly recommend brocks products and service. oh yea the bike looks great too.
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CaptainZX14
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posted November 22, 2006 12:38 AM
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Where did you get that Micron pipe? I have called all over and have only heard it not available yet. How much was it? Thanks
I called up Indy Superbikes and asked for a quote. They also said that it was not available. I told them that I already got a quote and they checked into it and sold it to me for under $1000.
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CaptainZX14
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posted November 22, 2006 12:43 AM
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Wow... its 2006 and Micron is still using the same muffler from 1991....lol.
I wouldnt buy a micron product even if it came with a 100% rebate.
I did not realize that Micron sold Carbon-Fiber cans back in 1991. I guess they were way ahead of their time back then? I bought the system because of the Serpent full exhaust system. The CF can was just for safety, no burns after a long ride. I don't understand why you don't like Micron, I personally like their product.
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Shanowf
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posted November 22, 2006 07:21 AM
They make fun of the micron for being old school, but the meg is what looks old school. It looks like it belongs on a 1970's kz1000. Just my opinion.
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Shanowf
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posted November 22, 2006 07:23 AM
Thanks for the info on the Micron pipe.
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bigdtd
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posted November 22, 2006 07:24 AM
old school = fast
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CaptainZX14
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posted November 22, 2006 10:44 AM
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They make fun of the micron for being old school, but the meg is what looks old school. It looks like it belongs on a 1970's kz1000. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the explanation.
The $1000 covers the Serpent pipe and the CF can.
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posted November 23, 2006 10:17 AM
So is it stainless? Or Ti? Oh... and the whole safety justification on the CF muffler is a ruse.... unless you plan on repacking it every few thousand miles.
I make fun of Micron because it is junk. Look at the bikes making high hp or quick ets.... you never see a Micron pipe on them. Plus their bloated hp gain claims.
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k bryant
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posted November 23, 2006 10:32 AM
I believe Micron uses only stainless steel tubing on all their systems.
Just a comment - All carbon fiber and/or packing material is not created equal (though I'm not speaking for them). Our carbon fiber mufflers routinely go 10 - 15k miles between repacking intervals. Many times when we disassemble for service, they look great and we reassemble and return at no charge.
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BrooklynNYZX12
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posted November 23, 2006 11:00 AM
All of this talk about who has the better header is a discussion that will never end.Fast riders will go fast with either one.No header company is re-inventing the wheel here.If a ZX14 needs a certain length head pipe and a certain diameter head pipe to make a certain # Brock and Rob Muzzy know it !!!!I got news for ya most of the other header manufacturers know it too.Companies will decide where they want the curve and peak and mid #'s blah blah blah and we decide accordingly when we buy them.I support Rob Muzzy because he was one of the few guys to support the ZX12 which was basically treated like a step child in the aftermarket,and he is involved here.Brocks advantadge right now is in his customer service and map availabilty.Brock has really put some time in the maps for the 14.
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k bryant
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posted November 23, 2006 01:30 PM
Well put. 
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shanowf
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posted November 23, 2006 08:11 PM
The truth will set you free brother......amen
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TurboBlew
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posted November 24, 2006 07:26 AM
Thank you for the clarificatin Sir Bryant
So $1000 for a stainless system with crushed headers? And Brocks is $50 cheaper and supports the customer after the sale. Muzzys is $11 more and will make more hp.
Well the price, material, and hp decision puts Muzzy and Brock dead even.....lol
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I believe Micron uses only stainless steel tubing on all their systems.
Just a comment - All carbon fiber and/or packing material is not created equal (though I'm not speaking for them). Our carbon fiber mufflers routinely go 10 - 15k miles between repacking intervals. Many times when we disassemble for service, they look great and we reassemble and return at no charge.
Now back to the Muzzy/Brock debate.
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posted November 24, 2006 07:30 AM
All I know is that if you buy a ZX-14.com t-shirt we'll send you a coupon for $100 off a Muzzy pipe for your 14.
Visit our online store! (link at top)
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TurboBlew
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posted November 24, 2006 07:42 AM
you're not making it easier to decide fish....lol.
With the exception of Micron.... the debate will come down to who wins the "eany, meany, miny, moe" process...
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posted November 24, 2006 08:53 AM
brock all the way, the performance is crazy
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posted November 24, 2006 10:18 AM
fish_antlers i ordered a shirt a few weeks back how long does it take?
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posted November 24, 2006 11:04 AM
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So $1000 for a stainless system with crushed headers?
Are you referring to the bend design? They are not crushed, the flow dynamics are more efficient in a bend when it is flattened out like that. The Serpent pipe is computer designed and hydro-formed to the shape of the design to a high tolerance.
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posted November 24, 2006 11:05 AM
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you're not making it easier to decide fish....lol.
With the exception of Micron.... the debate will come down to who wins the "eany, meany, miny, moe" process...
If it is between Muzzy and Brock, I don't really see why it is a question or a guess. Brock all the way! Much better package IMHO.
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posted November 24, 2006 04:04 PM
pull the trigger...your bike is waiting.....
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posted November 24, 2006 05:52 PM
yes the hydroformed/serpent gimmick. While I dont doubt the technology.... its Microns main selling point on their pipes... but when push comes to shove.... NO WINNING EFFORTS are using their pipe. And they are using stainless tubing no less.
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Are you referring to the bend design? They are not crushed, the flow dynamics are more efficient in a bend when it is flattened out like that. The Serpent pipe is computer designed and hydro-formed to the shape of the design to a high tolerance.
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posted November 24, 2006 06:01 PM
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So $1000 for a stainless system with crushed headers?
Are you referring to the bend design? They are not crushed, the flow dynamics are more efficient in a bend when it is flattened out like that. The Serpent pipe is computer designed and hydro-formed to the shape of the design to a high tolerance.
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yes the hydroformed/serpent gimmick. While I dont doubt the technology.... its Microns main selling point on their pipes... but when push comes to shove.... NO WINNING EFFORTS are using their pipe. And they are using stainless tubing no less.
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Are you referring to the bend design? They are not crushed, the flow dynamics are more efficient in a bend when it is flattened out like that. The Serpent pipe is computer designed and hydro-formed to the shape of the design to a high tolerance.
I was addressing the "crushed header" comment. It is true that when you bend a pipe, the flow through that pipe is different than a round pipe. If you study flow dynamics, you will discover that a round pipe is not the most efficient shape. The flattening of the pipe at the bend is done on purpose for that reason. The flattening of a pipe at the bend is more efficient. It is not a "crushed header" as some may think.
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posted November 24, 2006 10:12 PM
Well do some testing for us and post some results!
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