quote:yeah... the super lubricant that WD-40 is... I'm sure there is a HUGE risk of spinning the rim inside of the tire.
Actually the opposite , from what i've noticed WD-40 on the tire beads has the tendancy to "glue" the tire to the rim making it hard to move or break the bead after it dries.
Strange
That would indicate that it IS soaking into the surface of the tire. I wouldn't have expected it to improve the seal like that, but it makes sense. I'll buy that.
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posted November 16, 2006 04:49 AM
Changing tires Yourself is a peace of cake - I do it about 7 times per summer and it dosen't take really much times plus the added bonus of knowing it's done right. I've even rebalanced my friends tires affter they came from shop because they were making the bike wibe because of inbalance. Basic tirechanging tools cost about 150$ with the mounthing lube - wich really is worth the low cost. And when changing the tires Yourself You save all the trouble of finding the right time when the shop is open - Yourself You can change them at any time! So in fact it takes less time to change them Yourself! I wouldn't take my tires to shop even if they paid me!
posted November 16, 2006 08:32 AM
Edited By: Phytrax on 16 Nov 2006 08:34
My wife prefers using mounting lube to reduce friction around the rim. I can usually get enough leverage to skip that step, but once I damaged the rim and couldn't ride for a month. It's not like you can just run out and grab another rim unless you don't care about quality.
If you're the type of person that likes to ride two-up, you're risking rim damage anyway, so it's better to play it safe and apply generous amounts of lube. The back rim also tends to be a bit of a tighter fit so start out slowly more likely to have a satisfying ending.
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posted November 17, 2006 06:09 AM
Edited By: Phytrax on 17 Nov 2006 06:09
"That's the beauty of a foot massage. We act like it don't mean nuthin but it does. You know it, Marcel knew, and Antwone shoulda &%#@&%# well known better!"
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quote:"That's the beauty of a foot massage. We act like it don't mean nuthin but it does. You know it, Marcel knew, and Antwone shoulda &%#@&%# well known better!"
posted November 19, 2006 06:55 AM
Edited By: CaptainZX14 on 19 Nov 2006 06:57
quote:tuusinii: Basic tirechanging tools cost about 150$ with the mounthing lube
$150? What equipment do you use? Can you list is and possibly provide links showing what you are talking about?
I was going to just take my tires in to get the tires mounted, now I am curious and interested in mounting them myself! Thanks! ____________
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posted November 19, 2006 12:33 PM
Thanks for the info. I found a "Deluxe Package" at TireQwik. I also found a tire changer at Harbor Freight. I will keep looking for other deals.
posted November 19, 2006 01:55 PM
Edited By: Phytrax on 19 Nov 2006 14:57
Tire balancing beads? Any opinions on this? I guess you just put some of the beads in your tire and go.
quote:Wow, I see Nomar has a tire demounting bar for $99 also, looks like a nice tool. And a LOT cheaper than the mounting station.
The Nomar equipment is good stuff - just watched them demo it at the bike show over the weekend. Oh - don't rush out and buy that tire demounting bar for $99 if you don't have a tire changing stand - it won't do you any good. That bar is for use with a tire changing rig like theirs or a Coats 220. It's a great improvement over what Coats supplies with the 220. We will be picking up that bar as well as the Nomar rim clamp adapter for the Coats 220 as an upgrade soon... I'm glad that offer that solution for people that already have a Coats!
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posted November 20, 2006 05:57 AM
LOL, thanks for the tip. I kinda thought that arm on the bar would go through the hub and work sort of like it was on the stand. If not, what is that bar coming off the side for? That 3rd hand clamp would be handy with the balancer and some good tire spoons.
Tire spoons and rim protectors should be sufficient once I break the bead right??
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quote:LOL, thanks for the tip. I kinda thought that arm on the bar would go through the hub and work sort of like it was on the stand. If not, what is that bar coming off the side for?
That's a very good point. They did not have that extra bar installed while they were using it at the show. Their website does say "Our bar is designed to install tires while rotating perpendicular to the center pivot post", so it looks like you are right. Unfortunately, that little "stub" bar only helps with leverage against the wheel itself, you'd still need something to clamp the wheel from rotating while levering the bead onto the wheel. I guess you could rig something up with a few blocks of wood, or have a friend (or two?) try to hold the wheel from moving while you whack them in the head with that mounting bar.
quote:That 3rd hand clamp would be handy with the balancer and some good tire spoons.
Yes, that 3rd hand looks very "handy". We've always used a cheap spring-clamp to help hold the bead. I'm not sure if you'd really need it when using spoons though - it's really to keep the tire from rotating on the wheel when using the big bar... it's an anti-rotation device. If you use spoons, you just leave your first spoon in place while you work your way around the rim. With 4 spoons in their kit, you'll never be short on spoons... you really only need 3, and you could get by with 2 in a pinch.
quote:Tire spoons and rim protectors should be sufficient once I break the bead right??
Yup. The basic equipment you need is a bead breaker, tire spoons, rim protectors, and a static balancing jig (can be home-made). Don't forget a few weights, a valve core removal tool, and some tire mounting lube. The lube isn't as necessary when using spoons, but it'll still help.
posted November 20, 2006 07:37 AM
Just for the record, I have 1/6 ownership in a No-mar tire changer. I have used it to change tires on the 14. I was not all that impressed. The bead breaker works OK and the dismounting feature is so-so. I finally broke down and used spoons to mount my new tires. One person can use the machine but is much better with two people. The wheel clamps kept letting the wheel slip off unless one person was holding it down. The balancer works fine but the shaft is prone to rust unless you keep it coated with some type of rust preventative. For a $100 investment it's ok but if I had paid the full amount I would be returning it and getting my money back.
I can do the whole job just as quickly using some lumber and my tire spoons. My neighbor has a balancer that he doesn't mind sharing.
posted November 20, 2006 02:10 PM
The Coats 220 bead breaker looks a little less cumbersome than the Nomar, and the Coats rim clamp works great - no slipping, but we have to use rim protectors otherwise it would dig into the wheel. One person use is no problem though.
And I can't remember what brand of balancer we have, but one side of the frame is height-adjustable, so you can use the front or rear axle straight off your bike... you don't have to use a rod with cones like the Nomar. The Nomar balancer may work better for single-sided swingarm applications maybe?
We *were* thinking about buying that Nomar rim clamp adapter for our 220, but you say that it doesn't clamp well? Is there any adjustment that might help to tighten that up? They didn't seem to have any problems with the rim moving at their demonstration... maybe they had welded little tits on the wheels to keep them from rotating?
posted November 20, 2006 03:24 PM
I have not had the machine in my garage since we bought it. One of the owners is a racer and he keeps it most of the time. I went to his place to mount my tires. With his help we got it done and even though he has changed several sets of tires with it we still had trouble keeping the rim clamped. We adjusted to make it tighter but would still pop off unless one of us was holding downward pressure on the wheel. Maybe its the rim design.
I could use the bead breaker and possibly dismount tires without an extra set of hands but no way are you going to mount a new tire on a 14 wheel without help. Even using spoons you can't manage them and hold the wheel down because the unit is up too high. I would rather be on the floor with wood blocks and use my knees to hold the wheel and tire while I do the spoon work. Never needed any help with that.
I'm sure that the guys who build the unit have learned all the tricks and use the most manageable wheel and tire for the demonstrations. Maybe I just need more time with the machine but that isn't going to happen. I got $50 use out of it. That's what I would have paid at the local dealer to have it done. I'll consider the other $50 a donation to my friends and a lesson learned.
posted November 20, 2006 05:19 PM
Balancer and spoons sounds good to me. My garage is getting cramped anyway. I got the GSXR1000 just sitting on the back porch, hoping someone will steal it so I don't have to sell it. WD40 should be enough to stop the shaft from rusting, just spray on a coat after each use.
Is there a certain type of weight I need for the balancing?
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posted November 21, 2006 08:21 AM
Any little square stick-on weights will work fine unless you want to buy the fancy clip-on ones from Kawasaki.
The little square ones are very easy to work with. They usually break apart into 1/4 oz blocks, and you can cut them down smaller if you need less. Just clean the wheel really well before sticking them on... use alsohol or something similar, and keep them as close as possible to the center rib on the wheel.
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