fastestbusaaround
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posted October 29, 2006 02:07 PM
 Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 29 Oct 2006 14:08
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I'd love to see and CBR catch a Gixxer...only way I can think of is if you put a 350LB rider on the Gixxer and 130 LB rider on the CBR, or the Gixxer rider can't ride. The K5/6 is the fastest liter bike of the 4 Jap bikes...bar none. It runs 9's stock...CBR runs mid to high 10's at best (IMO).
My 04 CBR RR with Ti-Force, PC3 and tuning with MR9 made 169 rwhp on two different dynos. I myself(about 250 in leathers)went 9.87 at 141mph and thats stock wheelbase. My buddy rode it and went 9.33 at 149mph at a Prostar event back in late 04. The "other" bikes may make a few more hp, but its a lot closer than you think!
Sounds like the only "stock" CBR in the world to do that...I'd believe it only if I saw it with my own eyes. 9.33 and 169 HP on a stock CBR? I want some of those drugs too! The 04 CBR was/is the weakest of all the current 4 Japanese liter bikes...and none of them could make 169 RWHP without help...did you forget to mention the nitrous kit?  My 10R has more ponies than a stock CBR...and still won't do 169...and mine's at least 23lbs lighter too...at a base weight of 402 on your CBR. I'd love to see a stock 10 do 9.33...lol. You're saying that your CBR 1/4's faster than Busa's at mid to high 9's. Sorry. I call BS on that.
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posted October 29, 2006 02:20 PM
148rwhp stock! 160rwhp with pipe and pc. 169rwhp with the MR9 race fuel(yes, its THAT good!) My Honda surprised a LOT of people. You can call Orient Express and talk to Joe Hahn himself....they were the first to dyno it! As far as going 9.33....find the results online somewhere from Prostar Gainesville 2004, and look for the name Ed Krawiec as the rider. ALL mods....pipe, pc, k&n filter, geared, lowered and about 15pds of weight on the front...forgot to mention that. 1000cc bikes is all about the rider...we happen to be that good! LOL
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Gary B
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posted October 29, 2006 02:58 PM
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=842&z=14
there ya go....look at 1000SS qualifying
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ninja14
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posted October 29, 2006 03:09 PM
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Some more info please guys!
Something that's bugging me a little bit from the test ride is that I picked up a slight offset on the handlebar; as in it feels like the left side of the handlebar is like 2mm (0.08 inches) "forward"...i.e. the handlebars does not feel perfectly 90 degrees with the frame / body of the bike but slightly out...
Anybody here picked this up on their bikes?
While not really adjustable...........there is some movement in the handlebars. I loosened all the bolts and then pulled them to the rear and held them back while tightening the bolts - oget them as far back as I could w/o modifying them.
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ninja14
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posted October 29, 2006 03:16 PM
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ninja14 - Drag the fairing? You have any proof of that obi-one?
Sucks that a mans word is not good enough anymore, but here ya go.......
1st time was very light and I didn't even know it had touched until I removed the panel to swap the front sprocket.
2nd time I felt the rear tire spin and the bike jumped about a foot.
3rd time I was playing around and dragging the peg on purpose and I hit so hard that the rear came off the ground and slammed me down - my collar-bone is 3 pieces right now........this happend on the 17th.
If you try to ride this thing like a 10 it will bite you..........
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the blue mule
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posted October 29, 2006 03:22 PM
Edited By: the blue mule on 29 Oct 2006 15:22
what a shame,didn't we know it was going to happen though??. That's why I stretched my bike out, didn't want to go through the headache that I did with my 600
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ninja14
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posted October 29, 2006 03:27 PM
What will stretching help other than drag racing.................you won't hit cuz you can't go fast enough with the longer wheelbase..............
My front is .75" lowered and I have no chicken strips on either tire :-)
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the blue mule
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posted October 29, 2006 03:55 PM
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What will stretching help other than drag racing.................you won't hit cuz you can't go fast enough with the longer wheelbase..............
My front is .75" lowered and I have no chicken strips on either tire :-)
exactly
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Fasta
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posted October 29, 2006 09:17 PM
ninja14 - no worries, I believed ya, just wanted to see some pictures. 
Damn! Sorry to hear about your lowside and your collarbone though; hope you get well soon.
That looks like quite a lot of damage to the bike; panels, tank, slip-on...please tell me the insurance is taking care of that for you?
This is one of my fears with the 14 - with all of the tight mountain roads here I'm probably going to have the pegs down frequently wanting to or not...maybe not so good when combined with uneven road surfaces.
Hmmm...
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted October 29, 2006 09:39 PM
Edited By: INTIMIDA2OR on 29 Oct 2006 21:41
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INTIMIDA2OR - Those aren't twisties! That's a straight road with a few kinks in it!  Looks like you had your grandma on the back as well...oh I could not bear to watch, what incredible speed! 
Just messing with ya! Thanks for the link. What do you use to record with? Pity you cant see the dials.
Phytrax - The preload adjustment, was that in the front, back or both?
ninja14 - Drag the fairing? You have any proof of that obi-one?
This is the camera i am using and yes i too wish to the dials can be seen but the speedo will just read fast anyways .
MY DV CAMERA
Here's another video of me tearing up some straights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYLhRV6hjhM
Here's one of a far better rider on a 14 ZX14 SCRAPING BODYWORK!!!!
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ninja14
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posted October 30, 2006 12:57 AM
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That looks like quite a lot of damage to the bike; panels, tank, slip-on...please tell me the insurance is taking care of that for you?...........
Hmmm...
Fuck that - it would kill my rates. I am working on it myself..............color change and custom airbrushing.........
It is only cosmetics.........still runs like mad :-)
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Fasta
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posted October 30, 2006 12:01 PM
Watching the video with the guy scraping the fairing...two things jump to mind:
1) There are hundreds of corners like that where I ride.
2) There is no way that I will be able to keep up with my buddy on his ZRX if I go through tight corners so slowly! He will have had lunch and a beer by the time I arrive at our stop. Sad thing is that looking at the video I don't think there is any chance of going through there faster on the 14, even if you wanted to cause there is no lean angle left...also nothing to save me from running wide off the road if came into that turn a little hot...probably just end up crashing into the side of a mountain or go screaming off the side of a cliff.
There is something fundamentally wrong with owning one of the nastiest bikes on the planet and having to go around a corner slower than you could go on a scooter! :/
Not trying to piss anyone off here, just trying to grasp how anyone on a 14 keeps up with *any* other bike through twisties...is the video deceiving? The rider seems less than smooth on that run through the corner and also seems to be on the gas way to late...
I still really like the 14 but from the looks of it my fears about the limited lean angle could become more of an issue than I thought.
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ninja14
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posted October 30, 2006 01:06 PM
The bike can lean less and still go faster, but it ain't no superbike. SInce my 14 is tucked away for work I decided to ride my Vmax (deff NOT a canyon carver) and I swear I could go almost as fast...........maybe I am wrong, but it sure seemed like it. On even the slightest straight of road the 14 will launch out like mad, but corner speed is another story...........cuz of the lean issue. It does come down to rider skill....had a 10 crash behind me.........and have been passed by an old dude on a standard............what a sight. On the very same road you see in that vid I was being tailed by a Harley and I was at peg dragging speeds and he was glued to my ass...........the whole way up the hill. I love the14 for it's all-around goodness, but w/o a little more clearance it won't do what I want to do in the tighter hills.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted October 30, 2006 01:48 PM
Edited By: INTIMIDA2OR on 30 Oct 2006 13:52
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is the video deceiving? The rider seems less than smooth on that run through the corner and also seems to be on the gas way to late...
I still really like the 14 but from the looks of it my fears about the limited lean angle could become more of an issue than I thought.
Yes the video is deceiving on 2 counts , 1st the guy was showing off how he can scrape the bodywork at slow speeds ,and 2nd IRL it wasn't slow looking... at least it didn't look slow to a sane person like me
Plus this happened to him earlier that day so he was a bit chicken after so he says .
http://www.gaston-hr.com/zx14videos/closecall.wmv
This guy who's SN is "MDR" over on zx14.net does things with the 14 that seem impossible to anone else .
Prolly cause he master's Drift when needed to achieve insane cornering speeds .
He also says Flies out would kill his ability to corner smoothly so he still has them in.
Next time i ride with him i hope to get some footage !
Don't worry about the 14 not being able to do what you want , all it needs is to be setup and have a rider 
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted October 30, 2006 02:29 PM
Edited By: INTIMIDA2OR on 30 Oct 2006 14:31
Link gone ... hate it when that happens 
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ninja14
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posted October 30, 2006 04:32 PM
Flies out would hurt his cornering...........makes no sense - esp since I am over 7000 at almost all times so I can use the engine for braking.............guess he likes low revs or something. After a dozen miles w/o flies I forgot they were ever there and with tuning it is as smooth as ever...............?
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ninja14
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posted October 30, 2006 05:00 PM
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Plus this happened to him earlier that day so he was a bit chicken after so he says .
http://www.gaston-hr.com/zx14videos/closecall.wmv..........
I know that feeling - I had visions of a high-side .............and there was a truck in the other lane when I slid.....coulda been the end. After the crash I am thinking I need to give the 14 a break...........it's not really made for that...........almost wish I had gotten that R1 LE instead............but then my 2 1000+miles trips woulda sucked and I wouldn't be able to wheelie from idle :-)
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted October 30, 2006 06:37 PM
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Flies out would hurt his cornering...........makes no sense - esp since I am over 7000 at almost all times so I can use the engine for braking.............guess he likes low revs or something. After a dozen miles w/o flies I forgot they were ever there and with tuning it is as smooth as ever...............?
I think his bike is constantly at like 8000 rpm's + because he always sounds like a 600cc bike or something so flies in will only hurt him if he don't rev it which he most certainly does.
Dude is smooth and really a sight in action against 600's ,750's in the twisties .
Seeing a ZX-14 leave black marks through every turn drifting at very high speeds through the tight stuff is an awesome sight .
It's gotta be experienced to be believed!
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Fasta
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posted October 30, 2006 08:55 PM
Yikes!
Probably would not have happened if he was holding the correct line; you can see in the clip that there is quite a bit of sand on the outside of the lane, the better line (safer and faster) would have been right next to the yellow line, he probably made a mistake going into the previous corner and could not correct his line by the time he hit this corner where he went wide...had no choice but to run the back wheel on the dirty stuff; his second mistake was to open her up...probably hoping that this would bring him back in.
Close call.
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ninja14
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posted October 31, 2006 12:18 AM
May sound bad, but he will join me in the crashed club if he keeps it up............
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted October 31, 2006 01:48 AM
I think you may have something there!
Here's his report after swapping to a 180/55 P/P tires :
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As a last set of tires I've picked the 180/55 over the stock 190/50. My intentions were to gain some (5 mm) ground clearance. Obviously, bike is more nimble and it turns bit easier, but...
- Even though it is the same tire manufacturer (Mich) and the same type (both tires were changed), I had to increase preload (1.5 more turns) and compression +1 on the rear since bike felt slightly mushy.
Here is the scoop:
- Based on my weight of 210 and the bike weight, I've tried tire pressures between 35 and 39 and in similar environment temperature conditions (80-90 F). 38 worked the best.
- Since 180 was mounted, I've almost lowsided the bike 4 times now, once very very close since the side stand took of some of the "tire to road" contact pressure
- Bodywork scrapes less
- I have this "feel" that the bike's rear end slightly slides on high lean angle, really weird feeling
- 190 had better high lean angle behavior and stability than 180
I wonder what 190/55 would fee like? I think that ZX14 is bit long/heavy for 180 rear tire
Maybe I should try winter sports....
Just wanted to share my experience.
A crazy man no doubdt!
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ninja14
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posted October 31, 2006 02:20 AM
I will have to study tire profiles to see what will give the most clearance.......will need a set soon.
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ninerrider01
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posted November 01, 2006 09:40 AM
The age old question... 190/50 or 180/55 for a 6" rim. Intereting the new Triumph Speed Triple (which got rave reviews for handling) went to a 5.5" rim for a 180/55 (from the prev. gen. Speed Triple that had a 6" rim and 190/55).
On my zx9 (6" rim), I feel that I reach the edge of the tire a bit easier on a 180/55 than a 190/50.
I think the 600s using 180/55s typically have 5.5" rims.
Spreading the beads of a 180/55 apart far enough for a 6" rim may flatten the profile too much.
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