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posted October 12, 2006 08:34 AM
Ya...you could go with the regular Xenon, but don't go higher as they'll burn the reflectors like what happened on my 10R (85 watt=BAD)...I'm still looking for a solution and when I find it, I'll let those worthy of it in on it...LOL 
The H4's you speak of worked great in the day...I used those too....might work on the concours14 too...remains to be seen!
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posted October 12, 2006 10:22 AM
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Back in the stone age, I used 90/130 H4
on high beam, the 130W H4s put out more light than HID, according to http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/bulb_types/bulb_types.html
i normally run the 80/100 ones myself (got them in my civic). nice cheap upgrade. just straight overwatt H4 bulbs, no blue tints or anything.
the Thor flashlight i picked up uses the 100/130W H4. what a hoot
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posted October 12, 2006 10:40 AM
That's that cool 2 million candlepower unit?
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posted October 12, 2006 11:09 AM
Freek needs lights - why dont you ask 1965 to bring you back a unit for your 00 ZX12?
How much?
Maybe 1965 can bring you a horn and turn signals that work too...
Maybe Fish_Antlers want some HID for his 04 zx10 - 1965 are you going to work us out a group buy?
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frEEk
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posted October 12, 2006 06:49 PM
FBA, it is lsited as 15M, but definitely doubt the accuracy of that number
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Freek needs lights
yah, but the kits he's talkin about are just bulbs. i need the housing (i got something in mind, just gotta see if i can dig up the $)
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posted October 12, 2006 07:30 PM
:::;singing that old 80's song:::::
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Bear in mind the bulbs from "Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Laos" are junk! Because he said so! And so is the Sushi!
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zx14_1965
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posted October 12, 2006 11:06 PM
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Uhhhhh...good comeback? NOT...I'll just wait to see what you get and how it works...
I'll give you $50 for your igniters and controller. I can save me a few hundred bucks by buying a partial JDM ZZR1400 specific kit 
If not, no biggie I have the money to buy the full kit. I may just be nice enough to pick one up for you to try out just for giggles and grins. But only if you are a good boy. 
Just hang tight for the time being. 
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zx14_1965
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posted October 12, 2006 11:11 PM
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Easy Holmes, I have nothing at all against JAPS~!
Holmes?  You're another fuckin ignorant bigot. It's no different than calling a black person the "N" word. Now can you relate you stuipid ignorant shit?  Have you washed your hood lately? It's gotta stink awfully bad of bigotry sweat.
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posted October 12, 2006 11:17 PM
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Seems that you're the "insightless" one here-- jackass and quite an arrogant little fuck too, aren't you?
Oh, now I'm arrogant for mentioning the availability of 14 specific kits in Japan.
Now, that's a mindset to laugh about. So you bought 4 worthless HIDs that didn't work for you and I come along and say there's kits in existence that work...In Japan so I'm insightless, jackass, arrogant little fuck. I'll send you a case of wine to go with your stinkin' cheese. Does name calling really make you feel better? I'll dish you out a dose of slam muffins until you smell like blueberry. You're almost earning the well deserved title of a "DOINK"...very very close. Keep coming on with your stupid childish retorts.... 
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zx14_1965
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posted October 12, 2006 11:22 PM
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:::;singing that old 80's song:::::
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.....
Bear in mind the bulbs from "Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Laos" are junk! Because he said so! And so is the Sushi!
Now you're really sounding like a "lemon"...figure that one out snaggle tooth.
They sell sushi in Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Laos? I thought they called it something else in those countries but with a touch of monkey butt.
Ahhh....I thought I remembered that tune. Now I can laugh at that......bigot minded responses are for losers. Glad to see you didn't bring yourself down to that dumb shit level.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 12, 2006 11:24 PM
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FBA, it is lsited as 15M, but definitely doubt the accuracy of that number
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Freek needs lights
yah, but the kits he's talkin about are just bulbs. i need the housing (i got something in mind, just gotta see if i can dig up the $)
Dude, don't you read anything?...They come in full kit form...1-4 s-p-e-c-f-ic
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posted October 12, 2006 11:34 PM
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You know FBA, although he quotes other people's posts he doesn't seem to read them at all. He just rants on with his "Jap" worship.
I'm just glad you were kind enough to post your experiences with the HID's because I might have gone down that path. As it is, the 14 makes some pretty good light and perhaps a better short term solution would be higher wattage bulbs with the obvious addition of relays and larger wires. This however, could be a problem with heat dissipation of the housings/reflectors/lenses, as they already might be at or near their temperature limit. Back in the stone age, I used 90/130 H4 and it allowed me to use my smoked visor even at night, stupid I know, but I was young then and my night vision was very good.
Are you really that stupid going on with the bigotry comments? Why don't you put it to rest and just be happy by calling me some four letter words. I can accept that and would be even more fun slapping you around with a few choice words. You have that "I just got a M60 round up my ass" look yet?
If the 14 has good enough lights then why would you give a shit about HID?
Yes, for the pocket minded folks I'd say upgrade to PIAA lights. They put out more light and don't draw any more current than OEM bulbs...well at least the JDM versions don't. I can get those for $30 a set. You want a set? I'll get you a set for free if you shut the fuck up with the "Jap" remarks....really makes you look very stupid and unedumacated.
Send me your address and I'll have a set sent to you. If you're not interested, I'd suggest you stay away from high wattage bulbs, they are made in Taiwan, Laos, Vietnam etc. You'll fry your 14 by going the "stupid" route.
Stone age?...how the fuck old are you? Now I feel bad for disrespecting a senior citizen.
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posted October 13, 2006 08:48 AM
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If the 14 has good enough lights then why would you give a shit about HID?
Yes, for the pocket minded folks I'd say upgrade to PIAA lights. They put out more light and don't draw any more current than OEM bulbs...well at least the JDM versions don't. I can get those for $30 a set. You want a set? I'll get you a set for free if you shut the fuck up with the "Jap" remarks....really makes you look very stupid and unedumacated.
Send me your address and I'll have a set sent to you. If you're not interested, I'd suggest you stay away from high wattage bulbs, they are made in Taiwan, Laos, Vietnam etc. You'll fry your 14 by going the "stupid" route.
Stone age?...how the fuck old are you? Now I feel bad for disrespecting a senior citizen.
After using HID's in the wife's Navigator, I've come to like them. I don't really ride that much after dark since I have two small children that go to bed early. I like the HID more for the aesthetics and the fact I find the color and light more pleasing to my poor old arc burned eyes. Yes I'm old, 44 to be precise.
Thanks for the bulb offer, but I'm not going to disparage your wife or her ancestry further with that AWFUL word. I consider the asians to be superior in much of their culture, especially compared to where this culture is headed. So much for your "bigot" theory . . . I call it as I see it. I find it amusing that you can be so easily offended by simple words, you must have a VAST insecurity and paranoia complex. Reminds me of the "little man" complex as exhibited by so many people I've met that are vertically challenged. May I suggest some sort of therapy.
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posted October 13, 2006 08:56 AM
1965 - are you saying you can help Freek out with his blind 00 ZX12R?
NOT a 14 an old shit kicked out of her 12....
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frEEk
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posted October 13, 2006 09:00 AM
no he can't because i need headlights, not just bulbs.
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posted October 13, 2006 09:09 AM
there is so much smack in this thread it is hard to find any actual information here...
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posted October 13, 2006 09:10 AM
OKay.... so I've skimmed most of this thread and I'll throw in my $2 werth.... There is no reason whatsoever that replacing the bulbs on the 14 with the equivalent standard based HID unit would somehow "not work". The difference of a few millimeteres as FBS states in the focal point of the bulb would effect ALL vehicles said bulb was installed in, not just a 14, hence the differentiation between higher and lower quality HID kits. FUrthermore, the difference of a few millimeters of focal point spacing in the projector is insignificant in the reduction of light output from the unit. The error would have to be far greater than a millimeter or two to have a noticeable adverse effect.
As for my qualifications, I have all of you beat on this one. I'm a lighting technician with 19 years experience.
It's my job.
Now... furthermore... as a professional lighting technician I would NEVER install HID into a motorcycle. The tungsten filament is robust, tested and reliable. WHy on earth anyone would want to put an HID unit (true HID) with ballasts and additional cabling into a high vibration enviroment is totally beyond me.
The only thing I give you guys credit for in this topic is that at least the general level of knowledge of the membership has increased enough that I dont have to sit here and try to explain why a tungsten bulb painted blue isnt "HID"
-for that, I thank you.
Save you're money and take your wife out to dinner before your put HID in your motorcycle. If you install them as your prmiary light source I can assure you that you'll be sorry .... it will be a dark, cold lonely night in the middle of no where, pouring rain, and suddenly you;'ll be plunged into darkness.
Then you'll wish you'd have never bought the things/.
But gosh darn, they sure do look cooL!
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posted October 13, 2006 09:11 AM
 Edited By: princesskiwi on 13 Oct 2006 10:14
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frEEk
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posted October 13, 2006 09:12 AM
why would they be so unreliable? they work fine in extreme conditions like rally cars.
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posted October 13, 2006 09:19 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 Oct 2006 10:21
No discharge units are reliable. Rally cars? Sure.... I'll bet ya they replace the whole unit after every race or even during races. They fail for many reasons, often none at all. You know what I do for a living... you know that I work with heavy duty high end equipment that costs 100's of times more than a cheap car HID kit. We carry spares to replace every possible component as HID units simply stop working for any and all reasons... from moisture to vibration to cable issues to unknown issues to random bulb issues... trust me. they're not reliable and I chuckly everytime I see someone drive downt the street in a car equiped with HID's .... little do they (as the general public) know just how friggin expensive it will be to troubleshoot and repair that stuff when they shut off for no reason... (BTW this is why cars have a tungsten lights built in for redundancy... so that they arent left in complete blackness when the HID crap toasts itself..)
I wont type more about it.. You wanna watch HID shit fail? Come to work with me for a day.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 13, 2006 09:28 AM
No, they are fine..it's a problem really more due to the aiming capability on the 14, seeing as how there isn't any independant adjustment for lows and highs. What happened in my case, was that after we put them in, the lows were facing the ground and ended about 30' in front of the bike with a big gaping hole in the center, whereas the highs were facing the GOD's. So, without being able to adjust the lows up with having the highs face 12.00...how would one go about this? Furthermore, what would anyone attribute as being the cause of this, if not the focal point? I mean, what else has changed if the adjustments were not touched? What changes lightwise in this case? I know ZXBigMouth will say its the cheap bulbs, which anyone with a 1/2 a brain would know it's not. You can attribute blowing electronics or general failure to that perhaps...but light patterns? I don't think so...
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posted October 13, 2006 09:54 AM
Edited By: jjkillian on 13 Oct 2006 10:55
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OKay.... so I've skimmed most of this thread and I'll throw in my $2 werth.... There is no reason whatsoever that replacing the bulbs on the 14 with the equivalent standard based HID unit would somehow "not work". The difference of a few millimeteres as FBS states in the focal point of the bulb would effect ALL vehicles said bulb was installed in, not just a 14, hence the differentiation between higher and lower quality HID kits. FUrthermore, the difference of a few millimeters of focal point spacing in the projector is insignificant in the reduction of light output from the unit. The error would have to be far greater than a millimeter or two to have a noticeable adverse effect.
As for my qualifications, I have all of you beat on this one. I'm a lighting technician with 19 years experience.
It's my job.
Now... furthermore... as a professional lighting technician I would NEVER install HID into a motorcycle. The tungsten filament is robust, tested and reliable. WHy on earth anyone would want to put an HID unit (true HID) with ballasts and additional cabling into a high vibration enviroment is totally beyond me.
The only thing I give you guys credit for in this topic is that at least the general level of knowledge of the membership has increased enough that I dont have to sit here and try to explain why a tungsten bulb painted blue isnt "HID"
-for that, I thank you.
Save you're money and take your wife out to dinner before your put HID in your motorcycle. If you install them as your prmiary light source I can assure you that you'll be sorry .... it will be a dark, cold lonely night in the middle of no where, pouring rain, and suddenly you;'ll be plunged into darkness.
Then you'll wish you'd have never bought the things/.
But gosh darn, they sure do look cooL!
Okay I am not a lighting specialists. But simple physics will tell you focal points/rays/arrays etc can be thrown wayyyyyyyyyyyyy off by even a .0001 of an inch, let alone a few millimeters. Yes I know lighting reflection off the projector/reflector doesn't have to be that super accurate. But a few mm can and will make a huge difference.
If you did read this thread I talked to a lighting specialists also. A car one, that works on cars that most if not all the models have HID's. He said what you said, don't do it to a bike. But he also said you can do it if you want to pay very good money to have it done RIGHT!
Think this thread is getting highly repetitive. After a few days of this here are my conclusions.
1. This is a do-able mod. If you want to spend the cash for the look/effect to do it right. Which is a custom job by someone who knows what they are doing. Currently which involves retrofiting it.
2. It isn't, if any, better than the current set up of the 14.
3. The Japanese are not very good at Risk, or any type of war based board games for the matter.
4. FBA is the only person that I know of in this thread that did this mod. And it in current availability (ebay, and the like) it does not work properly. And if you are thinking about choosing that avenue.......DON'T.
5. The Japanese are omnipresent.
6. Personally I would say spend the cash on something else for the bike and be happy that you still have one of the best lighting set up for any bike avail.
7. The Japanese are omnipotent.
8. People on this forum are very opionated, and some, very stubborn. hehe
9. Smile your life rocks......................after all you own a 14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laterz
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posted October 13, 2006 10:59 AM
Edited By: Stalwart on 13 Oct 2006 12:01
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(BTW this is why cars have a tungsten lights built in for redundancy... so that they arent left in complete blackness when the HID crap toasts itself..)
Thanks Fish! I suppose that is why my wife's Navigator only has HID in the headlights, not in the lower "fog" lights. Allows you to have some light, better than none right? I thought it was a simple cost saving measure . . .
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posted October 13, 2006 11:22 AM
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OKay.... so I've skimmed most of this thread and I'll throw in my $2 werth.... There is no reason whatsoever that replacing the bulbs on the 14 with the equivalent standard based HID unit would somehow "not work". The difference of a few millimeteres as FBS states in the focal point of the bulb would effect ALL vehicles said bulb was installed in, not just a 14, hence the differentiation between higher and lower quality HID kits. FUrthermore, the difference of a few millimeters of focal point spacing in the projector is insignificant in the reduction of light output from the unit. The error would have to be far greater than a millimeter or two to have a noticeable adverse effect.
As for my qualifications, I have all of you beat on this one. I'm a lighting technician with 19 years experience.
It's my job.
Now... furthermore... as a professional lighting technician I would NEVER install HID into a motorcycle. The tungsten filament is robust, tested and reliable. WHy on earth anyone would want to put an HID unit (true HID) with ballasts and additional cabling into a high vibration enviroment is totally beyond me.
The only thing I give you guys credit for in this topic is that at least the general level of knowledge of the membership has increased enough that I dont have to sit here and try to explain why a tungsten bulb painted blue isnt "HID"
-for that, I thank you.
Save you're money and take your wife out to dinner before your put HID in your motorcycle. If you install them as your prmiary light source I can assure you that you'll be sorry .... it will be a dark, cold lonely night in the middle of no where, pouring rain, and suddenly you;'ll be plunged into darkness.
Then you'll wish you'd have never bought the things/.
But gosh darn, they sure do look cooL!
Here thought you worked in the porn industry :P
..... fishey?
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Stalwart
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posted October 13, 2006 11:42 AM
Does he do lighting for the porn industry? With all those camera angles they must need a LOT of lighting.
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