zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:10 PM
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Put Jap writing on anything these days and it'll sell sell sell because its gotta' be good! 
I know you meant to say Japanese and not Jap. In case you weren't up on disparaging terms..."Jap" is one of them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one unless you ignorant enough to challenge that point.
Look at most of the aftermarket knick knacks they sell in the US, "made in Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Laos. Now that's junk. 
  
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:15 PM
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I talked to a high end shop today about the HID's.
The guy told me any vehicle that does not come equiped with HID's is going to have a hard time working right if it does not come with the proper reflector/projector. He also said he would never consider putting them on a bike unless it was especially made for the bike, or done right (retrofit). He also said what others have said on here, just because it plugs in, doesn't mean it works RIGHT (he was answering a question about the ANY aftermarket one, junk or Japanese, German don't matter).
Good/Bad news is this. He said he could order in one that the use already on some of the vehicles they work on. A good kit with the projector with both the high and low beam set up like the bike is, is about 2k. Then to retro-fit it would be another 2k. So 4k.
JJ
Once again, okay...the 300 other Japanesee ZZR guys who put on the HID kit are full of shit and a bunch of liars. I will let them know that. 
I don't doubt the guys you spoke to at the shop are accurate about their replies to you. But they know nothing of the JDM available parts IN JAPAN.
PIAA and Bellof are liars too for claiming they have a 14 specific kit that works with no issues. I'm going to sue them for false advertising. Seems like plenty more on this board that would like to join me on a lawsuit. Bad news: You'd have to travel to Japan to go to court . 
I'll just buy my HID kit in March when I go to Japan. Can't wait to lie about how well it works.  
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 11, 2006 03:19 PM
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frEEk, the HID kits we got are far from junk...it's the projector that's the issue, as it wasn't designed for HID, because if it was, that's what would have been offered on the 14. On any vehicle where HID's are an option, you will notice that the non HID's housing's are quite different from HID housings. When you put an aftermarket HID into a non HID housing, there is a chance it will not work properly, but in most cases you can overcome much of the problem by adjusting the beams to match. The problem on the 14 is that the beams are NOT independantly adjustable. If they were, this would work very well...
here's what i don't understand about that: if the light source is at the same point in the HID kit as in the original bulb, why would designed for HID vs designed for halogen matter? is the shape of the light source that big an issue? i'm assuming it isn't. of course the shielding (intentional or incidental) could be an issue in terms of creating black holes, but again i would think those issues would be minor. so what exactly is the design difference you speak of?
The light source is NOT in the same spot...and it only has to be of by a few mils to be completely out in the way it projects. Just look at the link I posted way above in this thread...
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:20 PM
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Seeing is believing -- when I see it with my own 2 eyes working in front of me at night...I'll believe it. Until then, I know what I know, because it's what I have now.
On any vehicle where HID's are an option, you will notice that the non HID's housing's are quite different from HID housings. When you put an aftermarket HID into a non HID housing, there is a chance it will not work properly, but in most cases you can overcome much of the problem by adjusting the beams to match. The problem on the 14 is that the beams are NOT independantly adjustable. If they were, this would work very well...
Guys, I'll repeat myself for those of you who seem to have more mouth than brains...IF YOU DON'T YET HAVE THESE KITS ON YOUR ZX14, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Until you do, all the talk in the world won't make the lights work any better than they do now. It amazes me how some people talk to just be heard, with no actual experience or knowledge of the product they are blabbering about...fuck.
No need to burst an artery dude. The HID kit I bought for my ZRX was plug n play with no issues at all. As for me not knowing WTF I'm talking about, um.....ZZR Japan forum guys have installed these "14 specific HID kits" with no issues and were very happy with the results. Yes, 14 specific kits" DO EXIST.....um...in JAPAN! There's actually 3 companies that make 'em and I've posted pics of them earlier in the thread. So, right back at ya... 
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:22 PM
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Seeing is believing -- when I see it with my own 2 eyes working in front of me at night...I'll believe it. Until then, I know what I know, because it's what I have now.
On any vehicle where HID's are an option, you will notice that the non HID's housing's are quite different from HID housings. When you put an aftermarket HID into a non HID housing, there is a chance it will not work properly, but in most cases you can overcome much of the problem by adjusting the beams to match. The problem on the 14 is that the beams are NOT independantly adjustable. If they were, this would work very well...
Guys, I'll repeat myself for those of you who seem to have more mouth than brains...IF YOU DON'T YET HAVE THESE KITS ON YOUR ZX14, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. Until you do, all the talk in the world won't make the lights work any better than they do now. It amazes me how some people talk to just be heard, with no actual experience or knowledge of the product they are blabbering about...fuck.
No need to burst an artery dude. The HID kit I bought for my ZRX was plug n play with no issues at all. As for me not knowing WTF I'm talking about, um.....ZZR Japan forum guys have installed these "14 specific HID kits" with no issues and were very happy with the results. Yes, 14 specific kits" DO EXIST.....um...in JAPAN! There's actually 3 companies that make 'em and I've posted pics of them earlier in the thread. So, right back at ya... ...would you like me to pick you up a set?....
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Bently
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posted October 11, 2006 03:23 PM
Well I had a hid set- up on my Busa and it was the best mod I ever did to that bike, especially if you ride at night. worked great. my bike lit up a section that 4 or 5 bikes would light up. In our group rides, at night I always led the way.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:23 PM
 Edited By: zx14_1965 on 11 Oct 2006 16:24
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The ZZR specific kit uses the "SPEC 04" version aka projector lights.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 11, 2006 03:24 PM
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I talked to a high end shop today about the HID's.
The guy told me any vehicle that does not come equiped with HID's is going to have a hard time working right if it does not come with the proper reflector/projector. He also said he would never consider putting them on a bike unless it was especially made for the bike, or done right (retrofit). He also said what others have said on here, just because it plugs in, doesn't mean it works RIGHT (he was answering a question about the ANY aftermarket one, junk or Japanese, German don't matter).
Good/Bad news is this. He said he could order in one that the use already on some of the vehicles they work on. A good kit with the projector with both the high and low beam set up like the bike is, is about 2k. Then to retro-fit it would be another 2k. So 4k.
JJ
Once again, okay...the 300 other Japanesee ZZR guys who put on the HID kit are full of shit and a bunch of liars. I will let them know that.
I don't doubt the guys you spoke to at the shop are accurate about their replies to you. But they know nothing of the JDM available parts IN JAPAN.
PIAA and Bellof are liars too for claiming they have a 14 specific kit that works with no issues. I'm going to sue them for false advertising. Seems like plenty more on this board that would like to join me on a lawsuit. Bad news: You'd have to travel to Japan to go to court .
I'll just buy my HID kit in March when I go to Japan. Can't wait to lie about how well it works.
Can't wait to hear your lies either
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 03:27 PM
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[Can't wait to hear your lies either
Do this while you wait.....
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 11, 2006 04:01 PM
Uhhhhh...good comeback? NOT...I'll just wait to see what you get and how it works...
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jjkillian
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posted October 11, 2006 04:15 PM
Edited By: jjkillian on 11 Oct 2006 17:17
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I talked to a high end shop today about the HID's.
The guy told me any vehicle that does not come equiped with HID's is going to have a hard time working right if it does not come with the proper reflector/projector. He also said he would never consider putting them on a bike unless it was especially made for the bike, or done right (retrofit). He also said what others have said on here, just because it plugs in, doesn't mean it works RIGHT (he was answering a question about the ANY aftermarket one, junk or Japanese, German don't matter).
Good/Bad news is this. He said he could order in one that the use already on some of the vehicles they work on. A good kit with the projector with both the high and low beam set up like the bike is, is about 2k. Then to retro-fit it would be another 2k. So 4k.
JJ
Once again, okay...the 300 other Japanesee ZZR guys who put on the HID kit are full of shit and a bunch of liars. I will let them know that.
I don't doubt the guys you spoke to at the shop are accurate about their replies to you. But they know nothing of the JDM available parts IN JAPAN.
PIAA and Bellof are liars too for claiming they have a 14 specific kit that works with no issues. I'm going to sue them for false advertising. Seems like plenty more on this board that would like to join me on a lawsuit. Bad news: You'd have to travel to Japan to go to court .
I'll just buy my HID kit in March when I go to Japan. Can't wait to lie about how well it works.
lol, I seriously doubt 300 people there put them on their bike. I am going to finally put an end to your BS. I have a good friend that speaks Japanese. I will have her look at your forum tonight.
And in case you didn't read my post about what this guy told me. Just because it hooks up doesn't mean it works correctly. Throughout this whole thread you seem to miss that simple point. You also keep going on about how everyone says they suck. FBA installed them on his bike, yeah he thinks HID suck. A few others, as well as myself, are wanting them on their/my bike. I am starting to think your Japanese is better than your English, you just keep missing the point.
When I walked in to this guys shop to show him the 14's set up, there were a couple Bentley Continental GT Styles and a CL65 AMG getting god only knows what done to them. I just have a slight feeling this guy knows what he is talking about. And I am sure he is so short on work he wants to put out a bunch of mis-information so he can get the work, instead of the Japanese.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 11, 2006 04:31 PM
No no no...I don't think they suck...they suck on the 14 and I know exactly why. That's what I'm saying. I love OEM installed HID's, but there are severe issues with the aftermarket installations on the 14. On my 10R, they would never be an issue...my buddy's Gixxer 1K has zero issue; they're amazing, but he doesn't have projectors on the low beams and he was able to adjust them perfectly, something that's impossible on the 14 due to the high and low beams being encased in one unit. When I had 'em on my Busa, they were perfect too.
This winter, I'll take the front end off and see if it's possible to shim or somehow adjust the beams by moving the low beam housings -- somehow. I've tried 4 different manufacturer's sets of bulbs and each set had the exact same issues in the same spot, but the ZX14 specific kit should solve that problem - must be the clip-in wiring harness.
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posted October 11, 2006 04:36 PM
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Put Jap writing on anything these days and it'll sell sell sell because its gotta' be good!
I know you meant to say Japanese and not Jap. In case you weren't up on disparaging terms..."Jap" is one of them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one unless you ignorant enough to challenge that point.
Look at most of the aftermarket knick knacks they sell in the US, "made in Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Laos. Now that's junk.
Easy Holmes, I have nothing at all against JAPS~!
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posted October 11, 2006 05:05 PM
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The light source is NOT in the same spot...and it only has to be of by a few mils to be completely out in the way it projects. Just look at the link I posted way above in this thread...
right, but that suggests to me that the kit you have isn't well built. if it were, they would have positioned the light source at the correct point and you wouldn't have the aiming problem, or so i understand. took a look at your link to the old threads but found nothing new (tho u did seem pretyt happy with the kit initially)
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 11, 2006 05:12 PM
That was during the day...once night hit, it was all over for me...but if you read above, you'll see I actually tried 4 sets of bulbs from different manufacturers...I give up on this thread.
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frEEk
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posted October 11, 2006 05:24 PM
4 sets? damn. that's dissapointing. u'd think one of them would have got the bulb lined up correctly. either that or the shape of the light source plays a significant role.
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posted October 11, 2006 05:35 PM
FBA
You mentioned multiple times that the hi and low on the 14 were not individually adjustable. Could you elaborate what you mean?
Does anybody know if the 14 has HID from Kaw in Japan? I doubt it, but it is possible. Alot of non-US companies have used better lights for decades. When I lived in FL in the 80's there was a shop behind mine that imported BMW's, Porche's, Mercedes and converted them all to US lighting.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 11:01 PM
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Does anybody know if the 14 has HID from Kaw in Japan? I doubt it, but it is possible. Alot of non-US companies have used better lights for decades. .
No they don't...haven't you read the posts? Hence the pics and explanations about the aftermarket HID kits for the 14. But don't believe me, there are so many respected members who's insight is so right on.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 11:02 PM
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Just because it plugs in doesn't mean it will have the right focus 
That's what the focus ring is for dumbass
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 11:06 PM
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...but if you read above, you'll see I actually tried 4 sets of bulbs from different manufacturers...I give up on this thread.
4 sets?....Taiwan specials right?
Thank YOU!!!...for giving up on this thread. You've provided insight on nothing about nothing
Keep til March. I'll wake you up.
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posted October 11, 2006 11:08 PM
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I give up on this thread.
I wish i could too but i keep getting e-mail notifications reminding me about it
It was a joke ,of course i want to see if there is a system that is perfect for the 14.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 11:17 PM
lol, I seriously doubt 300 people there put them on their bike. I am going to finally put an end to your BS. I have a good friend that speaks Japanese. I will have her look at your forum tonight.
And in case you didn't read my post about what this guy told me. Just because it hooks up doesn't mean it works correctly. Throughout this whole thread you seem to miss that simple point. You also keep going on about how everyone says they suck. FBA installed them on his bike, yeah he thinks HID suck. A few others, as well as myself, are wanting them on their/my bike. I am starting to think your Japanese is better than your English, you just keep missing the point.
When I walked in to this guys shop to show him the 14's set up, there were a couple Bentley Continental GT Styles and a CL65 AMG getting god only knows what done to them. I just have a slight feeling this guy knows what he is talking about. And I am sure he is so short on work he wants to put out a bunch of mis-information so he can get the work, instead of the Japanese.
JJ
Dozo yoroshiku....give me her number,always looking for another Japanese friend in the US. Got a pic of her? Just kidding.
Actually my Japanese is equal to my English and I'm not missing any point regarding this topic.
I did read your post about what the "guy" told you. He doesn't know what's available in Japan. He gave you a "blow off" response to get your dumb ass out of his shop. I know exactly what he was feeling. It's a polite gesture just shy of the cold shoulder treatment. Used to hate it myself when people like you came in to the shop asking annoying questions when we were busy.
Sorry to be blunt but it's the truth. I
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zx14_1965
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posted October 11, 2006 11:18 PM
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I give up on this thread.
I wish i could too but i keep getting e-mail notifications reminding me about it
You know you can shut that option off.
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posted October 12, 2006 02:17 AM
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...but if you read above, you'll see I actually tried 4 sets of bulbs from different manufacturers...I give up on this thread.
4 sets?....Taiwan specials right?
Thank YOU!!!...for giving up on this thread. You've provided insight on nothing about nothing
Keep til March. I'll wake you up.
Seems that you're the "insightless" one here-- jackass and quite an arrogant little fuck too, aren't you?
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posted October 12, 2006 07:57 AM
You know FBA, although he quotes other people's posts he doesn't seem to read them at all. He just rants on with his "Jap" worship.
I'm just glad you were kind enough to post your experiences with the HID's because I might have gone down that path. As it is, the 14 makes some pretty good light and perhaps a better short term solution would be higher wattage bulbs with the obvious addition of relays and larger wires. This however, could be a problem with heat dissipation of the housings/reflectors/lenses, as they already might be at or near their temperature limit. Back in the stone age, I used 90/130 H4 and it allowed me to use my smoked visor even at night, stupid I know, but I was young then and my night vision was very good.
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