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posted November 17, 2006 10:16 AM
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yeah you should ask permission to hijack shit because this thread had started as a conversation between me and bill (zx1kr). someone tried telling me that brocks made 9hp more than muzzys and i called bullshit.
if you want to post your cool little track printout, then start a new thread instead of polluting a good one. ill gladly elaborate in the smackhouse if you need clarification.
   Who said it "made" 9 more hp?
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posted November 17, 2006 10:33 AM
tony are you trying to make some kind of feeble attempt at badgering me? bikeland is a great place to learn and share information, if you can read past the thread hijackings and off topic posts and troll rantings. adjust your spectacles and read the first page to understand how this thread progressed from what it was. it sucks that i have to speak up for the moderators, who are too busy sitting back watching the verbal abuse circus around here lately... someone has to make a valid effort to try keeping things somewhat on point, and i have the balls and will to do just that.
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posted November 17, 2006 10:48 AM
Yeah, you got the balls but you have to get 'em out of Gunner's mouth to use 'em . . . sorry, I couldn't help myself. :P
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posted November 17, 2006 11:25 AM
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tony are you trying to make some kind of feeble attempt at badgering me? bikeland is a great place to learn and share information, if you can read past the thread hijackings and off topic posts and troll rantings. adjust your spectacles and read the first page to understand how this thread progressed from what it was. it sucks that i have to speak up for the moderators, who are too busy sitting back watching the verbal abuse circus around here lately... someone has to make a valid effort to try keeping things somewhat on point, and i have the balls and will to do just that.
Smokin's quote "I picked up 3 1/2 mph and a 1.2 tenths in the 1/4 mile"
Those are the facts, I am a witness to it. The 7-9 hp reference is an estimate based on those numbers. Without being able to test the hp of the bike on the road with ram air effect, then we can argue all day about hp differences on the dyno. Dyno hp numbers don't mean shit when comparing all these pipes. I personally believe TiForce makes the most hp of any pipe made for the 14 but my original dyno sheet won't show that. Nobody out there that I have yet to find, and this includes Brocks systems, that makes the size diameter piping that TiForce does. This tells me that will flow the best at high mile an hour with ram air intern making the most hp. That's just my opinion. The best way to test this would be to run the same bike and same rider multiple times then switch out the exhaust system. That's basically what Smokin did. That's a more logical way to determine things than using a dyno. Besides everyone knows you can lean a bike out to create more dyno hp.
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posted November 17, 2006 12:35 PM
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I don't know about the 9hp but the Brock's works better for me in the 1/4 by alot, could be brocks maps are dialed in on the track more then the dyno. i would rather see Robmuzzy put ryan on a 14 with a muzzy pipe and stock wheelbase and see how close they come to brocks bike's times, set up the same way. NHRA is over for the year maybe they have time to do that.
9.14 at 2100' above see level (Las Vegas). U4 fuel (Brock uses MR9 which makes more power), standard oil (Brock uses as thin as he can), Muzzy Street Exhaust, Stock Gearing, Stock wheel bearings (Brock uses Ceramic), Stock chain (Brock Uses non-oring)
Give me the fuel, oil, bearings, and chain. I'll go 8.80's in G'ville. (Brock's bike when 9.04)
I don't need to test anything.... I know what is faster....
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Thanks Ryan for the info and i must say you are one hell of a pro rider to boot ..I'd love to put you on my zx14 ...I don't have anywhere near your skills but i have run 9.18 @ 152 at a DA of 2200 feet ...Now i don't have thin oil, bearings, race fuel, non oring chain..All i have is a Brocks Smeg and his street map..I have yet to try his race map but i'm going to soon . I'm betting money that you on my zx14 would run 8.80s or better in good air no problems ....Smokin....
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posted November 17, 2006 12:51 PM
Now this is humorous... 
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posted November 17, 2006 03:18 PM
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Ryan, what map are you using one everyone can get if they buy a muzzy pipe?
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posted November 17, 2006 04:07 PM
I would still like to see ryan ride a bike that has a muzzy pipe and then make no changes except the pipe and map runnin the maps supplied to everyone and see which bike turned better times ok maybe not ryan I think he might be a little biased but some nuetral rider... I will bet 1000 dollars on that race any takers I KNOW HO WOULD WIN
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posted November 17, 2006 07:12 PM
That's what I would like to see as well
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posted November 17, 2006 08:46 PM
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Now this is humorous...
fba, this is SAD. i am in disbelief reading some of the comments here... this thread had some potential until the noobs destroyed it.
so does anyone actually know why a brock pipe is better than a muzzys pipe? or are you all still talking out of your ass for attention?
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posted November 17, 2006 08:56 PM
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Now this is humorous...
fba, this is SAD. i am in disbelief reading some of the comments here... this thread had some potential until the noobs destroyed it.
so does anyone actually know why a brock pipe is better than a muzzys pipe? or are you all still talking out of your ass for attention?
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posted November 17, 2006 09:03 PM
ryan schnitz probably does not want to ride your zx-14, and to think he is running a base map is simply, well, retarded. do you even know who he is?
i am under the impression that most of you are idiots and just bought the fastest bike on the market for no reason other than status. please prove me wrong. tell me exactly WHY the brocks pipe is better and stop trolling for attention.
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posted November 17, 2006 09:10 PM
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posted November 17, 2006 09:12 PM
my point exactly. silence. any other einsteins care to break it down? does anyone even understand exhaust design?
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posted November 17, 2006 09:13 PM
Edited By: tonytooth on 17 Nov 2006 21:17
It's lighter, tube size is larger, welds are better, metal quality is better, looks better...
I don't have a Brock pipe just giving you my observations. I have a top of the line TiForce system
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posted November 17, 2006 09:16 PM
very broad statements. did you read all that off of the website? i wanted to hear specifics. tiforce is pretty nice, but my orient exhaust will be nicer than yours.
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posted November 17, 2006 09:16 PM
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ryan schnitz probably does not want to ride your zx-14, and to think he is running a base map is simply, well, retarded. do you even know who he is?
i am under the impression that most of you are idiots and just bought the fastest bike on the market for no reason other than status. please prove me wrong. tell me exactly WHY the brocks pipe is better and stop trolling for attention.
34 years of drag racing sonny boy ... So i know who Ryan is as well as 1000s of top drag racers....I was running 9s when you were still shitting yello... I asked you once but i guess i have to do it again....How much HP does it take to get from 147 to 150???? Waiting smart ass....... Still waiting.....
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posted November 17, 2006 09:26 PM
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very broad statements. did you read all that off of the website? i wanted to hear specifics. tiforce is pretty nice, but my orient exhaust will be nicer than yours.
Shows you how much you know. Those systems are both made in the same japanese factory except the quality standards are higher on the TiForce systems. Just look at the pics and you can plainly see that. That's the reason the Orient Express systems are cheaper as well. Orient Express used to deal TiForce until they were cut off. They have TiForces name plastered all over there site and banner adds but you can't buy one from them, try it and see. They wish they were TiForce. They copied as best as they could.
Orient Express is the poor mans TiForce
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posted November 17, 2006 09:27 PM
that question is nothing that an online calculator, found at an affinity of performance websites, cant tell me. i would be more concerned with aeros and drag, which play a huge role at those speeds. let me google this formula and ill get back to you later. drag racing for 34 years, that would make you ANCIENT. im sure you wouldnt mind waiting a little longer. does having a fast bike make you feel young again?
so anyway, back on TOPIC. can anyone explain what, in the construction of the system, makes brocks pipe better than muzzys?
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posted November 17, 2006 09:28 PM
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Shows you how much you know. Those systems are both made in the same japanese factory except the quality standards are higher on the TiForce systems. Just look at the pics and you can plainly see that. That's the reason the Orient Express systems are cheaper as well. Orient Express used to deal TiForce until they were cut off. They have TiForces name plastered all over there site and banner adds but you can't buy one from them, try it and see. They wish they were TiForce.
Orient Express is the poor mans TiForce
i would know better than you would. and i prefer the orient system. and money is never an issue.
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posted November 17, 2006 09:31 PM
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Lack of brains isn't and issue either obviously!
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posted November 17, 2006 09:32 PM
you edit every fucking post tony, so who is the dumbass? be cool- stay in school.
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posted November 17, 2006 09:34 PM
www.tiforce.com is Orient Express and they can't even sell you a TiForce system WTF?
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posted November 17, 2006 09:36 PM
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smokin dont forget you are the noob that originally claimed brocks made 9 hp more.
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It's lighter, tube size is larger, welds are better, metal quality is better, looks better...
I don't have a Brock pipe just giving you my observations. I have a top of the line TiForce system
a lighter pipe will not affect power performance as it would bike performance in general. welds are better? TIG welding is a standard in good pipes. tube size being larger? the tubes of the orient system are larger than that of a tiforce system... but can effect performance. with larger diameter pipes, it can begin to effect throttle response. metal quality wont make a difference, unless youre factoring in weight savings. im talking about POWER and what in the construction of the brocks system makes it better than muzzys.
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OK i realize that i used "affect" and "effect" interchangably. no grammar nazis, please.
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posted November 17, 2006 09:40 PM
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smokin dont forget you are the noob that originally claimed brocks made 9 hp more.
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It's lighter, tube size is larger, welds are better, metal quality is better, looks better...
I don't have a Brock pipe just giving you my observations. I have a top of the line TiForce system
a lighter pipe will not affect power performance as it would bike performance in general. welds are better? TIG welding is a standard in good pipes. tube size being larger? the tubes of the orient system are larger than that of a tiforce system... but can effect performance. with larger diameter pipes, it can begin to effect throttle response. metal quality wont make a difference, unless youre factoring in weight savings. im talking about POWER and what in the construction of the brocks system makes it better than muzzys.
Wrong again sonny boy .. Go back and read my post ......I said feels like 7 to 9 hp gain....Judging from the mph increase of my test runs 7 to 9 would be close..
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