smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted October 19, 2006 06:02 AM
quote:
quote:
You may have picked up 6 hp with a custom map on a dyno But a dyno is not the street where ram air comes into play ...Brocks preloaded maps are done on a dyno and then remapped at the track..Test test test and test again.....So you picked up 6 hp on the dyno but you may have lost HP on the track...
Dude, the bike is alot more peppier than with that pre-loaded map. I should know, I rode it for 2 weeks before getting it custom mapped the other day. Great improvement throughout the powerband! Rode 260 miles today and gained nearly 25 more miles on range. Very noticeable power when dropping gears from 6 to 4 at 65, steering got very light...didn't do that prior to the custom map. I know I can get another 6-10HP by removing the air filter, using MR9 and a Brocks meg. If I was hung up on HP, I'd do it but I'm not. It's setup for the kind of riding I do, besides - I'm happy with the results and the looks/sound of the Yosh pipe--that's what counts right? 
Yup that's all the counts....
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
  
|
flyboy
Pro
Posts: 1536
|
posted October 20, 2006 08:07 AM
 Edited By: flyboy on 20 Oct 2006 09:16
Can someone explain the distance/times reasoning in drag racing for 60 ft, and 330 ft.? Doesn't the 1/4 mile time and speed determine the end result?
And aren't all drag strips set up for the 1/4 mile or are there some shorter strips that can only handle a 1/8 distance?
Don't know much about drag racing but would like to learn.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 20, 2006 01:41 PM
Yes 1/4 mile is your ultimate goal, but you can learn a great deal from you 60 and 330 ft times, like how soon you are getting to wide open throttle.
|
burnout
Expert Class
Posts: 216
|
posted October 20, 2006 01:46 PM
Not all tracks are 1/4 some are 1/8th. The 60 ft and 330 ft are measurement marks (there is also a 1000ft ) that break down your rate of acceleration helping you to analyze what you are doing, when and where on the track you are doing it. They tell the story of how the run went.
I raced a 12R last night with extensions and he could hole shot me every time. On the other end of the track, however, I could chase him down, gaining MPH, and overtake him. When we would compare our slips he had better reaction times, 60ft, 330,ft, and 1/8 mi numbers but I had better 1000 and 1/4 mi. numbers.
When you look at someones 60ft times you get an indication of how well they launch out of the hole, i.e. traction, wheelie control, torque. Sometimes when you make adjustments you can make a gain on one section of the track that will cost you at another, so there is a lot of analysis that can be made from these measurement points that help you to become quicker across the overall 1/4 or 1/8.
____________
1/8 5.66@129.77
1/4 8.74@159.60
|
Robmuzzy
Expert Class
Posts: 295
|
posted October 22, 2006 07:37 AM
Still have my $1,000.00.
|
CrotchRocket
Moderator
Bracket Racing with Betsy
Posts: 8038
|
posted October 22, 2006 07:45 AM
I hear ya Rob 
____________
Jason Miller StreetBike Seminars
*****DragRacers do it better, because they dont cut Corners*****
|
iflyphi
Zone Head
Posts: 542
|
posted October 22, 2006 08:16 AM
Ok, I haven't read all the posts' here, but here's my take on this. I went from a Muzzy S/S 4 into 1, to a Brock sidewinder. I only drag race my bike, so I wanted the sidewinder. With the Brock supplied map(s), I noticed no change in MPH or ET. I have gotten better at launching the bike, but still don't see any changed in the MPH. Not knocking Brock, I love the sidewinder, just saying that I don't see the numbers I had expected.
What it boils down too is money. My Sidewinder cost me about $1000. My Muzzy cost me about $600. It's all about dollars per horsepower.
Brock's pipe is very good for drag racing, and that's what I use it for. Rob's pipe was better when I was riding it on the street. And both Rob and Brock admit this.
So, just decide on where you want to ride the bike the most, and how much money you are willing to spend.
Rob, I'm coming up there for that $1000 someday 
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted October 22, 2006 02:30 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 22 Oct 2006 15:32
quote:
Ok, I haven't read all the posts' here, but here's my take on this. I went from a Muzzy S/S 4 into 1, to a Brock sidewinder. I only drag race my bike, so I wanted the sidewinder. With the Brock supplied map(s), I noticed no change in MPH or ET. I have gotten better at launching the bike, but still don't see any changed in the MPH. Not knocking Brock, I love the sidewinder, just saying that I don't see the numbers I had expected.
What it boils down too is money. My Sidewinder cost me about $1000. My Muzzy cost me about $600. It's all about dollars per horsepower.
Brock's pipe is very good for drag racing, and that's what I use it for. Rob's pipe was better when I was riding it on the street. And both Rob and Brock admit this.
So, just decide on where you want to ride the bike the most, and how much money you are willing to spend.
Rob, I'm coming up there for that $1000 someday
Brock stated that you would not see gains with the sidewinder Vs a Smeg unless you have a heavy modded motor , stroker,cams, compression ect ....But we are getting off base here .. the test was a Muzzy s/s oval can Vs a Brocks Smeg ... It has been proven by me at the track as well as others that the Brocks Smeg made better ETs and MPH..... One guy has posted up his Dyno test Muzzy Vs Brocks on another thread >>> http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=27119&set_time= I feel it was a fare test , others may feel different.... Smokin..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 22, 2006 02:43 PM
Not me, I'm with you smokin
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted November 14, 2006 08:14 PM
quote:
I don't know where you guy's find these numbers. I have not been able to duplicate your findings. The testing we have done between the MUZZY full system and Brock's GEN3 do not show the results you all claim. The dyno numbers we get show the GEN3 pipe down 41/2 hp up to 7,000 then the same till 9500, then the GEN 3 is up 11/2 at 10,000. We could have done the same thing however we believe the most power under the curve is best. I will put out this challenge. I will personally give $1,000.00 to anybody that shows me that the Brock/Hindle ZX-14 pipe makes 8 more HP than a MUZZY ZX-14 pipe.
Rob i'm taking you up on this... SET the terms
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
countersteer
Needs a job
Didn't read the owners manual
Posts: 2207
|
posted November 14, 2006 08:23 PM
badzx12r, you have the $1000 to put up for yourself? anyone could have "taken" Rob Muzzy up on this offer without having to risk losing their own money in a bet. youre too cheap to even pay for a custom tuning and tried bashing Muzzys for their baseline map- i doubt youve got the dollars to put up for yourself. nothing more than more trolling for attention. you are going to make yourself look like an asshole... again.
____________
Scott
Long Island, New York
2006 ZX-14, 2003 ZX-12R
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted November 14, 2006 08:32 PM
quote:
quote:
I don't know where you guy's find these numbers. I have not been able to duplicate your findings. The testing we have done between the MUZZY full system and Brock's GEN3 do not show the results you all claim. The dyno numbers we get show the GEN3 pipe down 41/2 hp up to 7,000 then the same till 9500, then the GEN 3 is up 11/2 at 10,000. We could have done the same thing however we believe the most power under the curve is best. I will put out this challenge. I will personally give $1,000.00 to anybody that shows me that the Brock/Hindle ZX-14 pipe makes 8 more HP than a MUZZY ZX-14 pipe.
Rob i'm taking you up on this... SET the terms
It appears as though he already set the terms?
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
countersteer
Needs a job
Didn't read the owners manual
Posts: 2207
|
posted November 14, 2006 08:34 PM
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=27493&set_time=
refer to this thread for the extent of badzx12's ignorant babblings.
____________
Scott
Long Island, New York
2006 ZX-14, 2003 ZX-12R
|
BlackMagic14
Needs a job
Posts: 2058
|
posted November 14, 2006 11:53 PM
Mr. Muzzy I had my bike dynoed on the same day same dyno same bike switched between your pipe and the Smeg by brock took an average of 5 pulls and the SMEG made 9 hp more at peak and and 3 ft/lbs of torque more at 7000 that was with the supllied maps with no changes made if I fax you the dyno sheets will you send me a 1000 dolars or does this offer only count for the Gen 3??? no disrespect intended I am a fan of Muzzy products ESPECIALLY FOR THE MONEY... (althoug I cant figure out why your pipes are so reasonable and EVERYTHING else you sell is higher than a cats back) I actually just put a new muzzy pipe on my track bike 05 ZX10
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted November 15, 2006 06:46 AM
quote:
Mr. Muzzy I had my bike dynoed on the same day same dyno same bike switched between your pipe and the Smeg by brock took an average of 5 pulls and the SMEG made 9 hp more at peak and and 3 ft/lbs of torque more at 7000 that was with the supllied maps with no changes made if I fax you the dyno sheets will you send me a 1000 dolars or does this offer only count for the Gen 3??? no disrespect intended I am a fan of Muzzy products ESPECIALLY FOR THE MONEY... (althoug I cant figure out why your pipes are so reasonable and EVERYTHING else you sell is higher than a cats back) I actually just put a new muzzy pipe on my track bike 05 ZX10
Good luck....... 
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
Robmuzzy
Expert Class
Posts: 295
|
posted November 15, 2006 07:11 AM
1badzx12r-Contact me at MUZZYS. I will set something up in your area. I will bring somebody from this board as a witness also. Ball is in your court.
|
bigdtd
Needs a job
Interceptors
Posts: 4209
|
posted November 15, 2006 07:40 AM
performance + support = brocks. I ordered the street meg and pc from brocks it should be here monday 
____________
2006 Black ZX-14,6 inches over,16/42, flies out,BMC Street Filter,Brock's Street Meg,Brock's Radial Mount Strap,PClll with Race map,Dynojet LCD w/Techmount, ZX-14 fender eliminator,Pilot Power2CTs,Speedohealer,Pazzo Levers,Cox Radiator Guard, Garmin Nuvi 265WT
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted November 15, 2006 08:33 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 15 Nov 2006 08:48
quote:
1badzx12r-Contact me at MUZZYS. I will set something up in your area. I will bring somebody from this board as a witness also. Ball is in your court.
will do rob thanks...countersteer rob didn't say i had to put up anything...just prove a 8 hp differance... looks like i'm gonna get robs help to get my bike tuned.... with a muzzy pipe or a whatever pipe....least i had the balls to go after this
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted November 15, 2006 09:04 AM
quote:
1badzx12r-Contact me at MUZZYS. I will set something up in your area. I will bring somebody from this board as a witness also. Ball is in your court.
P.M. sent for a direct phone number to hook up
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
1badzx12r
Needs a life
Posts: 8321
|
posted November 15, 2006 04:48 PM
I'm outa the running...Rob only wants somebody with a Brocks pipe.... Isn't anybody with a Brock's pipe gonna step up and get that grand....and dyno time...
____________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
|
fastestbusaaround
Needs a life
I eat Fish...
Posts: 7889
|
posted November 15, 2006 05:31 PM
I'm in Montreal...too far and I have Gen 3, no Smeg
____________
FYYFF!!!
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted November 15, 2006 07:03 PM
Where is the location?
|
Tool man
Needs a job
Posts: 4493
|
posted November 15, 2006 07:10 PM
Muzzy is in Bend Or. 1badzx12 is in Tx. Sounds like Rob is willing to travel to some extent.
For $1,000 bucks if i were Rob I would say come to Oregon. and bring your bike with a Gen 3 on it.
Ready set go Off to the races
____________
The banks are failing..
The banks are failing...
Invest in Ammo
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted November 15, 2006 07:13 PM
Well I'm in Iowa, so I'm probably to far away.
|
BlackMagic14
Needs a job
Posts: 2058
|
posted November 15, 2006 11:57 PM
Why do I feel like I am getting ignored my phone number is (870)692-9543 My name is Matt I live in Pine Bluff Arkansas I am available anytime I would love a chance to get a 1000 dollars (passes the ball back into Rob Muzzy's court)
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC