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posted October 12, 2006 10:38 AM
1:They never said brocks will out perform everybodys exhaust, just the compareson between the muzzy and the brocks...brocks was better. I personaly have a brock gen 3 and i'm happy with it. I bought it because, like so many others on here...I got great customer service. I 'm not putting down andybodys product, I just done what I thought was in my best interest.
2: Reaction time will not change your et. You can go to any big turbo dragrace event and watch guys sitting on the line in practice building boost and still running their normal times. Until you trip the starting line your time does not start.
But getting back to the original question...I kind of like the M10 exhaust. Not sure of hp or tq numbers though. I'm sure it's with in 5-10hp of all the other exhaust out on the market. I hope brock and rob read all these post because i'm sure they sit back and get a good laugh out of it.
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flatoutbu
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posted October 12, 2006 10:53 AM
Another thing...have you heard of deep staging? This is when you turn the top set of bulbs off bye pulling car/bike into the staging lights. If you have a slower RT you can deep stage your bike so you will be close to line when the green light comes on. This will give you a better Rt but will slow your 60's down alittle. If you do the opposite by just barely staging and turning the lights on you will get a short running start at the line and have a better 60ft because you are already in motion. Any motion that is not foward motion is wasted energy!
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flatoutbu
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posted October 12, 2006 12:24 PM
lucky14...if i'm not mistaken, it is from the time you break the starting beam to the start time of the green light.
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lucky14
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posted October 12, 2006 12:55 PM
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lucky14...if i'm not mistaken, it is from the time you break the starting beam to the start time of the green light.
Maybe....................... 
Kind of a trick question - more than 1 answer.
Hint: At some tracks, a .500 light would be VERY good, at others, it would be pretty good but not great, and at others, it would be horrible.
How could that be?
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posted October 12, 2006 01:25 PM
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lucky14...if i'm not mistaken, it is from the time you break the starting beam to the start time of the green light.
Yes, But to understand it better 'The amount of time from the start time for the green light until you break the beam. IF you break the beam before the green, you have a negative reaction time and a RED light.
ET is the amount of time between breaking the start line beam and the finish line beam.
MPH is calculated by measuring the time between the two beam/cones set a exact distant apart t wheather it is at the 1/8 or 1/4 mark.
The start time for the green light is when the computer tell the light to come on, not when you see it.
Yes you can sit at a green light for 20 second and still have a 9.5 second ET.
If the track officials didn't come pull your azz of the track.
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FlatoutBu
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posted October 12, 2006 01:38 PM
Yes, depending if you run a pro tree...we run on a .500 tree
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posted October 12, 2006 02:26 PM
I gotta make a correction to a statement made.......it has been stated above that the " time on your run doesn't start untill you break the beam". Thats wrong,and if we are trying to convey the right info,we gotta get it right.
When a vehicle is staging,that is when the wheel(s) "break the beam". When the vehicle launches and the wheel(s) move out of the stage beam ,it is then when the beam is allowed to "reconnect" , and that is when the clocks start ticking. So the reality is opposite of what has been said.
Years ago i'd hear peeps talk about cutting a good light to lower their E.T., i'd laff!!
My response to them was "on your 8,9,10 or whatever second vehicle you ran you could sit on the starting line for 2 days after the light turned green and still run an 8,9,or 10 second pass. I still remember the look on some of their faces,like total confusion,but they eventually got it!.
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posted October 12, 2006 03:34 PM
reaction time impacts ET?!?! say it ain't so.....I better stop by Vance & Hines on the way home tomorrow and let Matt and Andrew know that......
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Bently
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posted October 12, 2006 06:12 PM
At least there are alot of guys on here that know a thing or two about dragracing.
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zx14_1965
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posted October 12, 2006 11:56 PM
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If you are so sensitive perhaps you should just turn off your computer now. I'm not gonna apologize to you and if you're willing to make a trip to Redmond over this, it just shows what a  you really are. Am I supposed to be AFRAID of your computer skills? I think not, you know what city I live in and if you decide to make the trek, WHO CARES? I still think you are a little POS with some type of complex.
You aren't gonna get an M1A1 or any other recent US armor unless you are a bona-fide museum. My newest American armor is a M42A1 Duster with twin 40-mm AA cannons. That had to come through a trade with the Florida National Guard, armor isn't sold off as scrap any more, not for many decades. Some of our British armour came out of service in the late 90's.
You are somewhat correct, I have a old '93 Hummer but it mostly sits in the garage with the other "toys."
Back to pipes: I had a Muzzy's Ti/Ti pipe on order for several months and got tired of waiting. Thanks to all of your praises of Brock's customer service, I went down that route instead. Thanks guys for all the info and I appreciate all the input and your knowledge you so willingly share. OK, I wish 1965 would stop sharing, but that's probably too much to ask. 
Who said I was going to make a trip to your neck of woods to stomp on you? Don't read so much into the writing. I'd like to see what kind of bigot dumb fuck you are in person. But this is another clue you've provided to me in developing a profile on you. Besides I wouldn't be coming up there on the account of you. I conduct business up there every couple of months.
You'd be surprised on how much I know about you already just by the passive information you passed on with your responses. I'll let you guess on what my other skill is.
I was just yanking your ear about acquiring an M1 tank. Don't have any place to put a tank that size and too much red tape and I don't want to open no stinkin' musuem.. Now, the M42 are some nice wheels. My friend has one displayed on his front yard with a huge US flag next to it. Looks cool when it's lit up at night. He lives in the boonies so I guess he can get away with it.
I've seen a pattern develop by a few folks. If someone comes along and disagrees or buys something different and posts their opinion...you dump on them. Sounds like a retarded logic but then again some of you may actually be retarted and not know it. Brocks, Muzzy, Jerkyz, HandJob Racing, Balls-R-Us drag megs, Yoshimura, LeftNut GP pipes...they all put out the same amount of power with 3-5 hp variance. Almost seems like Brocks employees and groupies are posing as regular 14 owners...wouldn't surprise me but that's just opening up another can of worms.
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posted October 13, 2006 12:02 AM
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Ya I can sit at the line and have a 2 second reaction time and run 9.50. Why don't you actually go to a track and ask people who actually race if reaction time changes your et, wow that seems simple. And just remember I never slammed you or your wife, just you knowledge of dragracing which you have none. And smokin has never got on here and bragged about his 1/4 times just told his numbers so his ego is fine. Do some checking on the reaction time thing and admit you were wrong and that shows me you not so bad.
Ahhh shit....RT don't mean nothing when comparing to final ET....Just got done reading the "How to Drag Race for Dummies". Okay, I was wrong on the RT factor. There, never afraid to admit I was off base...on the RT issue. 
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posted October 13, 2006 12:04 AM
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At least there are alot of guys on here that know a thing or two about dragracing.
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posted October 13, 2006 12:05 AM
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Bently..I don't know a whole lot about the nitty gritty of drag racing except what I read about it from you and the other seasoned drag racers here but, this guy has a habit of talking shit about things he obviously knows nothing about...I'm in it with him on another thread over HID's and he just won't give it up, even though he is sadly mistaken and 100% wrong.
Maybe we should just assign a moderator to your left ass cheek
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zx14_1965
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posted October 13, 2006 12:10 AM
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Reaction time is one of the most misunderstood parts of drag racing.
It is arguably the most important part of the run - during competition.
However, while running a time trial and trying to get a "personal best", it means NOTHING!
Another prime example would be turbo cars that have a large turbo for maximum power that take awhile to build boost. I have seen them sit there looking at the green and when the boost builds, launch to a best time.
BTW, I HAVE left on the first yellow against a buddy (just messin' with him) and it didn't seem to give me any better time! LOL! Why not, if reaction time makes a difference?
OK, for the experienced drag racers here (we know who you are), a little fun question:
What point in time is the reaction time measured FROM?
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zx14_1965
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posted October 13, 2006 12:11 AM
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Is this pipe you have sold or did you make it yourself/is it avail.for the 12
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posted October 13, 2006 12:12 AM
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At least there are alot of guys on here that know a thing or two about dragracing.
Reaction time is 1, what's the 2nd thing?
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posted October 13, 2006 12:13 AM
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lucky14...if i'm not mistaken, it is from the time you break the starting beam to the start time of the green light.
Maybe.......................
Kind of a trick question - more than 1 answer.
Hint: At some tracks, a .500 light would be VERY good, at others, it would be pretty good but not great, and at others, it would be horrible.
How could that be?
I like this....let's see how many smart drag racers exist here.....
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posted October 13, 2006 12:13 AM
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reaction time impacts ET?!?! say it ain't so.....I better stop by Vance & Hines on the way home tomorrow and let Matt and Andrew know that......
Tell Andy I said "hi"
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posted October 13, 2006 04:26 AM
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Ahhh shit....RT don't mean nothing when comparing to final ET....Just got done reading the "How to Drag Race for Dummies". Okay, I was wrong on the RT factor. There, never afraid to admit I was off base...on the RT issue.
Woooooooooooooooo Whoooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Another convert!
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posted October 13, 2006 04:40 AM
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At least there are alot of guys on here that know a thing or two about dragracing.
Reaction time is 1, what's the 2nd thing?
Depends.....................
Heads-up or brackets?
In the first case, getting to the finish line first is important. (Gotta overstate the obvious)
In the second case........................well, that gets more complicated, doesn't it?
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Bently
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posted October 13, 2006 04:51 AM
zx14-1965 that's all I wanted you to do, and your by far not the only one that thinks a better light equals a better et, Hell the lady that hands out the timeslips at my track thinks the same thing and she works there. LOL
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posted October 13, 2006 08:31 AM
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Who said I was going to make a trip to your neck of woods to stomp on you? Don't read so much into the writing. I'd like to see what kind of bigot dumb fuck you are in person. But this is another clue you've provided to me in developing a profile on you. Besides I wouldn't be coming up there on the account of you. I conduct business up there every couple of months.
You'd be surprised on how much I know about you already just by the passive information you passed on with your responses. I'll let you guess on what my other skill is.
You made the threat pretty obvious and I'm not worried. It doesn't take ANY skill to find my name, wife's name, children's names, address and telephone number from the internet and my postings here. NO special skill required, FUCK a simple google search would get me, I'm not secretive, I don't hide, I don't have to. You think you're so clever, go ahead, pat yourself on the back. 
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posted October 13, 2006 10:28 AM
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i am hardly interested in the small hp/tq differences that these pipes offer- i am more concerned with looks. i could really care less about a 1-2 hp difference in pipe styles/manufacturers... i am aware that there are better performing pipes. i have a muzzys carbon and muzzys mega for my 12...
id like to hear some opinions on the m10 looks.
Far more gain than 1 or 2 hp ... I picked up 3 1/2 mph and a 1.2 tenths in the 1/4 mile ...That's more like a 7 to 9 hp gain ... That is something you can feel ... But you asked about looks of the M10 , i would give it a thumbs up..... Looks cool to me ....
Smokin did you switch to Brock's map when you went to Brock's smeg or did you run the same map that you had with the Muzzy? I'm just wondering if it's Brock's after-sale support with his maps or if it's his pipe design that yielded the gain--either way I'll take the tenth anyday.
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posted October 13, 2006 10:33 AM
Burnout I'm not trying to answer for Smoking but it's both the pipe and maps. and smoking will pick up even more with the track map and aircleaner reomved. Burnout I see you went 9.98 stock. With brocks Pipe, map and lowerd you will go right in the 9.40's at 149 to 150
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posted October 13, 2006 12:22 PM
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Burnout I'm not trying to answer for Smoking but it's both the pipe and maps. and smoking will pick up even more with the track map and aircleaner reomved. Burnout I see you went 9.98 stock. With brocks Pipe, map and lowerd you will go right in the 9.40's at 149 to 150
I'm drooling
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