ZXLNT
Needs a job
Kawpuke Extraordinare
Posts: 2853
|
posted October 11, 2006 07:34 AM
WOW The gauntlet has been thrown down!!!!!
  
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted October 11, 2006 07:35 AM
Well i have not put my Muzzy ss/ oval can on a dyno and i have not put my Brocks smeg on a dyno and i'm not going to either ...But i can tell you i picked up 3+ MPH and 1.2 tenths in the 1/4 mile with the Brocks pipe over the Muzzy pipe... This was a good test in my mind because my 60 footer was not as good with the brocks pipe and still beat my best ET and MPH with the Muzzy pipe .... Does it make 7 to 9 hp more?? hell if i know ...
Muzzy builds a good pipe and i was able to go a 9.44 @ 147 and i would tell anybody that wants a good street pipe to buy one...It's a great all around pipe with good low and mid power....Brocks pipe has a harder hit at upper RPMs and i drag race and my engine spends most of it's time at 9000 to 11,000 RPMs.....Both are good pipes , pick one that fits your riding style and be happy ...
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
smokinZX14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted October 11, 2006 07:46 AM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 11 Oct 2006 08:51
quote:
quote:
quote:
i am hardly interested in the small hp/tq differences that these pipes offer- i am more concerned with looks. i could really care less about a 1-2 hp difference in pipe styles/manufacturers... i am aware that there are better performing pipes. i have a muzzys carbon and muzzys mega for my 12...
id like to hear some opinions on the m10 looks.
Far more gain than 1 or 2 hp ... I picked up 3 1/2 mph and a 1.2 tenths in the 1/4 mile ...That's more like a 7 to 9 hp gain ... That is something you can feel ...  But you asked about looks of the M10 , i would give it a thumbs up..... Looks cool to me ....
so what youre saying is that a muzzys produces 9 real ponies over other exhaust brands? or do you mean that it made an extra 9rwhp compared with stock, with the addition of a pc3 and removal of the flies? that is more realistic. my point was that when it comes down to full exhaust systems- as long as its from a good company with good craftsmanship- that 1-2hp difference between brands does not matter to me. im still 99.9% sure that im going with an orient express ti system. im still not sure what to make of the m10 on a zx-14... i dont think it looks right. i actually disliked my muzzys mega after i put it on- ill probably be switching back to the carbon can or i may just remove the baffle from the mega so it is more sidewinder-ish.
Re read my post ...I said (That's more LIKE a 7 to 9 hp gain ) and i still have my flys in place...... My test was Muzzy pipe that run 9.44@147 to the Brocks pipe that ran 9.32 @150.60 .. You do the math, how much HP is needed to pick up 3 + Mph in the 1/4 mile?
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
blue max
Expert Class
Posts: 214
|
posted October 11, 2006 08:25 AM
hey bently, where and when are you racing again? i am from around davenport. finally got mine in the 9's last friday.
____________
best 9.23
|
k bryant
Needs a job
Sponsor
Posts: 2911
|
posted October 11, 2006 11:00 AM
While I certainly can't speak for all exhaust manufactures, it is very common to test other competitors exhaust through-out the R&D stage and beyond. That's simply a logical thing to do. What Rob is doing and commenting on is completely normal. Most, if not all this testing would be done on the dyno to gain consistent test data with the least amount of variables. Muzzy is at the top level in the exhaust market. For him to have the confidence to throw down that challenge, I'd say he's done his homework.  . Absolutely not trying to fuel the fire; but as an exhaust guy, it's always exciting to see that.
Exhaust info - Even without changing any dimensions in the primaries, merges/collectors, mid-pipes - adding a megaphone section as a muffler and/or to the muffler can make a very significant difference in power. The length and degree of taper makes difference. The core (assuming one is used) is/should also be very different in a megaphone compared to a muffler; either by how you "merge and squeeze", your plan on attenuating sound waves, addressing pressure waves and/or reversion. There are many other factors, and though we have baseline designs and engineering to start with, every application can bring new surprises and theory. It just depends on how much time you want to spend with each model. In "most" cases, a megaphone will make more power when taking full advantage of the design. So when comparing "apples to apples" (if that's even possible..), testing needs to be done on "like-design" systems. Megs to Megs. Sidewinder to Sidewinder, etc.
At the end of the day, you also have to consider the practicality of actually producing the exhaust in numbers and for a reasonable retail price. Unfortunetly some of the best exhaust systems never see "mass" production. While designing and manufacturing exhaust for Team Honda, we had 16 different changes after Daytona in one season alone based on tracks and engine state of tune. Can you imagine trying to tool-up and produce those in numbers? You'd go broke before they reached the market!
Now back to the M14Pipe from Muzzy's 
|
zx14_1965
Zone Head
Posts: 505
|
posted October 11, 2006 12:27 PM
quote:
I don't know where you guy's find these numbers. I have not been able to duplicate your findings. The testing we have done between the MUZZY full system and Brock's GEN3 do not show the results you all claim. The dyno numbers we get show the GEN3 pipe down 41/2 hp up to 7,000 then the same till 9500, then the GEN 3 is up 11/2 at 10,000. We could have done the same thing however we believe the most power under the curve is best. I will put out this challenge. I will personally give $1,000.00 to anybody that shows me that the Brock/Hindle ZX-14 pipe makes 8 more HP than a MUZZY ZX-14 pipe.
You're right on.....but you already knew that. Some of these guys really crack me up.
Someone needs to make an emoticon smoking a crack pipe.
|
zx14_1965
Zone Head
Posts: 505
|
posted October 11, 2006 12:29 PM
[quote Re read my post ...I said (That's more LIKE a 7 to 9 hp gain ) and i still have my flys in place...... My test was Muzzy pipe that run 9.44@147 to the Brocks pipe that ran 9.32 @150.60 .. You do the math, how much HP is needed to pick up 3 + Mph in the 1/4 mile?
Pipes don't make runs dude..the rider does.
You can't compare which pipe makes more horsepower by your 1/4 runs, unless you mirror every aspect of the run ie; reaction time, 60 ft time etc.
Get a clue.
|
RACNRAY
Expert Class
FAST OLD GUY
Posts: 178
|
posted October 11, 2006 01:36 PM
HERE'S HOW I DID MY STREET MEG...
I'm tryin to blend in the 2 colors better,so i had the pipe black ceramic coated,replaced all of the silver bolts and screws with black ones. The skoot is deffinately better lookin,and as has been said,the megaphone is a nice throw-back to the old kz days when megs were the shiznit!!
RACNRAY
____________
no chicken strips on this south florida boy's skoots!!
|
stevewfl
Moderator
Posts: 27920
|
posted October 11, 2006 01:40 PM
Muzzy.... 
Horsepower for horsepower sure everyone is close. But customer service is why I choose never to do business with Muzzy again.
____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
|
k bryant
Needs a job
Sponsor
Posts: 2911
|
posted October 11, 2006 01:55 PM
RACNRAY - I like it. Looks good.
|
INTIMIDA2OR
Needs a life
RED rider!
Posts: 13081
|
posted October 11, 2006 01:58 PM
quote:
HERE'S HOW I DID MY STREET MEG...
I'm tryin to blend in the 2 colors better,so i had the pipe black ceramic coated,replaced all of the silver bolts and screws with black ones. The skoot is deffinately better lookin,and as has been said,the megaphone is a nice throw-back to the old kz days when megs were the shiznit!!
RACNRAY
That is sweet looking dude!!!
Total throw-back to them KZ's man, and my dad's 14 is blue so now he knows what his will look like
Cool!!!
____________
'06 Passion Red ZX-14
*Lee*
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 02:58 PM
Zx14-1965, why would you need to mirror your reaction time to see how a pipe compares? Fill me in. so I have a clue as well. And My busa and my buddys busa both picked up 2 tenths when we went from muzzys pipes to brocks. Sure some of it is in the mapping but hey who offers the good maps (brock). Robmuzzy maybe you should start sending out maps that are as goos as Brock's if you think your system is as good. I always say your systems are good for the money, great on the street and sound good as well. Just don't produce the 1/4 mile time and trap speeds that Brocks do. oh ya zx14-1965 the 1/4 mile is the best dyno IMO, real numbers. smoking had a worst 60ft but ran his fastest time and speed. Brock will even tell you his map that produces the best 1/4 time will not produce the best numbers on the dyno. he will send you a dyno map if you want to impress your buddys or go to a dyno shoot out.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:01 PM
Blue max I will be at cedarfalls raceway this saturday if the weather is okay. Probably will be the last time I go out this year. Looking for a low 9.40 or high 9.30 then I will be happy all Winter LOL. come on up so I'm not the only 14 lost in the sea of Busa's.
|
zx14_1965
Zone Head
Posts: 505
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:02 PM
Edited By: zx14_1965 on 11 Oct 2006 16:04
quote:
Zx14-1965, why would you need to mirror your reaction time to see how a pipe compares? Fill me in. so I have a clue as well. And My busa and my buddys busa both picked up 2 tenths when we went from muzzys pipes to brocks. Sure some of it is in the mapping but hey who offers the good maps (brock). Robmuzzy maybe you should start sending out maps that are as goos as Brock's if you think your system is as good. I always say your systems are good for the money, great on the street and sound good as well. Just don't produce the 1/4 mile time and trap speeds that Brocks do. oh ya zx14-1965 the 1/4 mile is the best dyno IMO, real numbers. smoking had a worst 60ft but ran his fastest time and speed. Brock will even tell you his map that produces the best 1/4 time will not produce the best numbers on the dyno. he will send you a dyno map if you want to impress your buddys or go to a dyno shoot out.
Oh brother 
Those sampling comparisons don't mean squat. Okay, so you're saying that if I were to compare a Brocks, Muzzys, Yoshimura or whatever other exhaust system on my 14 that the times would be faster with the Brocks? This theory or assumption doesn't fly. Dyno comparison would be more accurate to gauge hp output. Sorry, but I beg to differ with you on this one. No offense intented, just my 3.5 cents on the subject.
|
zx14_1965
Zone Head
Posts: 505
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:05 PM
quote:
HERE'S HOW I DID MY STREET MEG...
I'm tryin to blend in the 2 colors better,so i had the pipe black ceramic coated,replaced all of the silver bolts and screws with black ones. The skoot is deffinately better lookin,and as has been said,the megaphone is a nice throw-back to the old kz days when megs were the shiznit!!
RACNRAY
Never really cared for blue or red on the 14, but it sure does look nice. ...very photogenic. 
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:18 PM
You said the reaction time would have to mirrored, I asked you why? and you failed to answer. how come?
|
wrongway
Pro
Posts: 1078
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:36 PM
on my drag car , mph in the 1/4 mile will tell a difference in HP regardless of the 60' times if the air density is the same. But if you dont have a way to measure air density it is hard to compare the runs.
Roy
|
zx14_1965
Zone Head
Posts: 505
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:38 PM
Edited By: zx14_1965 on 11 Oct 2006 16:38
Didn't think I'd had to explain myself to an "avid" drag racer. But since you insist;
Reaction time and 60 ft times do matter. Results in faster times and is also an indicatin of rider shortcomings and or wheel spin. All this matters in the end result.
Now if I had to explain that in basic terms, then maybe you should double check your theory.
When you want to compare something...must be on equal terms...that theory is accurate for anything you measure. You don't need to be a brain surgeon to understand that.
Oh, weight of rider matters too...forgot to add that in.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:48 PM
That's what I thought your the one with No Clue reatction time has Nothing to do with your time what so ever. you can sit at the line for 2 seconds and still run a 9.50, have you ever been to a track. and by the why this is coming from someone that in 582 post have never called out anyone. But had to this time. 60 ft times do matter. Oh ya and what's your dragracing experience. I'm sure other dragracers like smoking and flatoutbu will also tell you the same thing. Oh ya and I never lost any weight when I went from my muzzy's pipe to my brock. always 216 in shorts.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 03:49 PM
Wrong way I have a weather station that was around 1000.00. I have a lot of weather info for my runs.
|
INTIMIDA2OR
Needs a life
RED rider!
Posts: 13081
|
posted October 11, 2006 04:03 PM
I like the drag racing method better and it's more fun
____________
'06 Passion Red ZX-14
*Lee*
|
Stalwart
Needs a job
Posts: 3360
|
posted October 11, 2006 04:54 PM
1965 can't help it guys, he'll never admit he doesn't know it ALL. After they bounced him out of the military for raping Japanese goats while on duty, he bought a Jap bride off some poor one legged farmer. With pending charges of bestiality, he was forced to move back to the US or face prosecution. Once here, he set up an multibillion dollar import-export company and simultaneously got his Ph.D. in 13 separate engineering fields . . . still a goat reaming  .
____________
Stuart
________________________________
Ridin' the Trump train.
|
fastestbusaaround
Needs a life
I eat Fish...
Posts: 7889
|
posted October 11, 2006 05:08 PM
ROFFL...
Tell me...do you just make it up as you type? I'm cryin' so hard readin that post....I can't keep a straight face
____________
FYYFF!!!
|
Stalwart
Needs a job
Posts: 3360
|
posted October 11, 2006 05:18 PM
quote:
Tell me...do you just make it up as you type?
I'm afraid so, it just comes to me when I get annoyed with someone. I'm an ASSHOLE and I know it
____________
Stuart
________________________________
Ridin' the Trump train.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted October 11, 2006 06:10 PM
Well he does no something he called me an avid dragracer, he must know I have held 5 nhra licenses. Super gas, super comp, advanced et, et motorcycle, and my one I'm the proudest of, my top alcohol funny car license. won numourous bracket races, super comp race, quick 16 races, runner up in points in super pro twice, motorcycle track champion the first year I competed on a bike, second place on my bike second year I competed and I only raced half of the races. Just can't believe I never new how fast I could have been if my reaction time was better. LOL
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC