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posted September 27, 2006 08:34 AM
 Edited By: zx14_1965 on 27 Sep 2006 09:42
IVANS POSTED DYNO RESULTS....
on various exhaust and mod setups..Great info!
  
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posted September 27, 2006 08:37 AM
Oh boy.....
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posted September 27, 2006 08:41 AM
My flys are missing. I can't use the TRE to open what ain't there. Thanks anyway.
PS: Brock posted dyno results too.
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zx14_1965
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posted September 27, 2006 08:43 AM
Okay, Check it out now
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posted September 27, 2006 09:09 AM
Ivan seems to be a dumb fuck, or think we all are. Why would you bother with a TRE AND removing the secondaries? OH WAIT, I know, so you can lose your gear indicator, and make Ivan lots of money for a couple of resistors in a nice package . . .
I applaud him for making the data available with various pipes, but with the resistor thing and the "flies" removed . . . 
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posted September 27, 2006 09:18 AM
I wonder if the TRE has any effect on engine timing on the 14? Not that I'd buy it since, a 5 cent (better) solution was posted here...but if you buy an ignition module we're talking $$$$ and maybe the 270 ohm resistor would net the same result? ZX1KR said he got 3-4HP with a module on a 10R.
It's still not worth giving up the indicator though
ZX...what's with the mean lookin' shaved feline? Too many knots? I have a black one like that too...changed food and now no more knots!  Cool cat though!! Was he/she parts of the Dyno results? LMAO
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posted September 27, 2006 09:32 AM
Thanks for the info ZX_1965, have you got the TRE? You'll notice that the secrets out on the TRE on this forum. Agree with Stalwart above, TRE without secondaries isn't worth the extra fuel you'll burn dragging it around.
PS Nothing personal but is ZX_1965 aka IVAN?
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posted September 27, 2006 10:54 AM
Notice the lack of a test with flies out and no TRE on his site? 
I bet the test was performed, then the results shredded...
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posted September 27, 2006 11:52 AM
Oh and by the way ZX14-1965...I do love the pics though. Nothing like a shaved pussy to start my day off right LOL 
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posted September 27, 2006 12:11 PM
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Thanks for the info ZX_1965, have you got the TRE? You'll notice that the secrets out on the TRE on this forum. Agree with Stalwart above, TRE without secondaries isn't worth the extra fuel you'll burn dragging it around.
PS Nothing personal but is ZX_1965 aka IVAN?
I'll have the TRE and PCIII in a couple of days that I just purchased through MOTOFUEL. Was advised by a few tuners that the TRE was a good bang for the buck investment in terms of low end power. I'd build my own but I just don't savvy electronics, besides his stuff is guaranteed. I highly doubt Ivan claims that the TRE improves horsepower but claims that it improves the low end oomph many bikes are lacking in stock configuration. I wouldn't mess with removing the "flies", I've ridden a 14 with no flies and it sucks driving through town traffic but it's a blast to twist the wrist through the gears on an open road. I've never used a TRE so this is my first time using it, based on what I've seen in terms of low end performance for several other bikes I think it's a good investment. Why knock Ivan on the "TRE"...he was the first to invent the module and since some have disected it to see it consisted of a $5 part they think they earn the right to knock the man. Yes, anyone can now go out to your local electronics shop and build your own but just keep in mind who did the leg work in figuring out how to unleash the low end oomph on several line of bikes. Based on what I've seen, Ivan is a pretty proven tuner on several lines of bikes. He's a good egg in my book.
And no! I am not Ivan! 
Has anyone else out there shown dyno results on the 14 with the various setups? 
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posted September 27, 2006 12:16 PM
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Ivan seems to be a dumb fuck, or think we all are. Why would you bother with a TRE AND removing the secondaries? OH WAIT, I know, so you can lose your gear indicator, and make Ivan lots of money for a couple of resistors in a nice package . . .
I applaud him for making the data available with various pipes, but with the resistor thing and the "flies" removed . . .
Now Now, he's smarter than you think....I doubt the intended dyno charts were to boost his TRE sales. 
By now most know that flies out and TRE doesn't do much. Based on my readings, the TRE with flies in gives you the wanted "awaken the giant" affect. I don't need no stinkin' gear indicator to tell me what gear I'm in
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posted September 27, 2006 12:18 PM
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Notice the lack of a test with flies out and no TRE on his site?
I bet the test was performed, then the results shredded...
Keep in mind I posted the dyno charts off his website for all to see. Didn't think he'd get crapped on like this.
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posted September 27, 2006 01:35 PM
zx14_1965
I have the TRE and it works great for my bike with my full Yosh system... You'll be very happy with your buy.
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posted September 27, 2006 01:37 PM
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posted September 27, 2006 01:37 PM
What low end power loss??? Mines just fine...
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posted September 27, 2006 01:39 PM
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Notice the lack of a test with flies out and no TRE on his site?
I bet the test was performed, then the results shredded...
Sure...and I can't believe that the TRE would have the same gains or better than a pure flies out solution and Brock's post way back when, proved that the gains with the flies out yielded more power than the TRE only.
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posted September 27, 2006 01:41 PM
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Notice the lack of a test with flies out and no TRE on his site?
I bet the test was performed, then the results shredded...
Keep in mind I posted the dyno charts off his website for all to see. Didn't think he'd get crapped on like this.
You weren't around when the whole Ivan thing was happening back in the spring...do a search on it and you'll know why he gets crapped on...this isn't new.
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posted September 27, 2006 01:41 PM
Edited By: TeamSpeed on 27 Sep 2006 14:58
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Thanks for the info ZX_1965, have you got the TRE? You'll notice that the secrets out on the TRE on this forum. Agree with Stalwart above, TRE without secondaries isn't worth the extra fuel you'll burn dragging it around.
PS Nothing personal but is ZX_1965 aka IVAN?
I'll have the TRE and PCIII in a couple of days that I just purchased through MOTOFUEL. Was advised by a few tuners that the TRE was a good bang for the buck investment in terms of low end power. I'd build my own but I just don't savvy electronics, besides his stuff is guaranteed. I highly doubt Ivan claims that the TRE improves horsepower but claims that it improves the low end oomph many bikes are lacking in stock configuration. I wouldn't mess with removing the "flies", I've ridden a 14 with no flies and it sucks driving through town traffic but it's a blast to twist the wrist through the gears on an open road. I've never used a TRE so this is my first time using it, based on what I've seen in terms of low end performance for several other bikes I think it's a good investment. Why knock Ivan on the "TRE"...he was the first to invent the module and since some have disected it to see it consisted of a $5 part they think they earn the right to knock the man. Yes, anyone can now go out to your local electronics shop and build your own but just keep in mind who did the leg work in figuring out how to unleash the low end oomph on several line of bikes. Based on what I've seen, Ivan is a pretty proven tuner on several lines of bikes. He's a good egg in my book.
And no! I am not Ivan!
Has anyone else out there shown dyno results on the 14 with the various setups?
Nobody dissected his stuff, we just pulled out the service manual and saw what the ECU needs to see. And you might want to search for Ivan to see all the stuff that went on here, since you are missing some history here. $1 part to connect one wire to ground or $70 to do the same, your call and your money. And he was not the first to discover this, there are many others that came out with similiar ideas, he was just better at "marketing" (if you can call it that) his version. Why not go to Radio Shack, spend $2 for a pack of resistors, take out the one wire in question and attach the resistor to it, then to ground just to see what you will be getting with the TRE. Good way to learn, great way to decide value for yourself, and learn something about your bike/electronics along the way. And you have to pull the wires anyway to install the TRE...
Also, if you watch Ivan's answers on zx14ninja on A/F tuning and his old view of what an O2 sensor is, you can see there are few cards missing in his deck. He states that an O2 sensor is really nothing more than a temp sensor, and does not measure oxygen. If you have ever worked on O2 sensors, you would know that they need to be heated to be able to measure the oxygen content in an exhaust flow, as well as when they get clogged, they no longer detect the correct settings because the exhaust content is no longer flowing through the sensor tip. Rather an elaborate temp sensor if that is all the O2 sensor was.
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posted September 27, 2006 01:42 PM
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What low end power loss??? Mines just fine...
No fair Lee..you don't start in 1st unless you're at 5K...we all know that
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posted September 27, 2006 01:48 PM
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What low end power loss??? Mines just fine...
No fair Lee..you don't start in 1st unless you're at 5K...we all know that
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posted September 27, 2006 03:19 PM
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posted September 27, 2006 03:24 PM
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Notice the lack of a test with flies out and no TRE on his site?
I bet the test was performed, then the results shredded...
Sure...and I can't believe that the TRE would have the same gains or better than a pure flies out solution and Brock's post way back when, proved that the gains with the flies out yielded more power than the TRE only.
Come on now folks, who's saying flies out route produces less power than with TRE or otherwise? I'm not hacking my brand spankin' new 14 to save a mere $69.95 + shipping 
Plug n Play is what I like even if it means paying a few bones for it. No flies and no TRE or TRE with flies...who gives a poop ....if in the end result makes you happy and the 14 performing like you want it. I choose TRE and keep my flies.....soon to be happy.
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posted September 27, 2006 03:27 PM
Not Less...MORE. Check the thread at the top of the ZX14.com site....all the info is right there.
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posted September 27, 2006 03:31 PM
Hacking the 14? It takes less than one hour to do, and if you are careful with the screws, it is completely reversible as well. You take off 6 screws, 3 plastic pieces, 7 bolts, move the tank, and access the butterflies.
Only wish I have the Phantom alarm at the time I had the bike apart for a week trying to find out why the PC3 wouldn't run, I could have installed the alarm in the interim! Oh well, I have one left over screw from my tear down, maybe when I pull everything apart again, I can find where it belongs.
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posted September 27, 2006 03:31 PM
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You weren't around when the whole Ivan thing was happening back in the spring...do a search on it and you'll know why he gets crapped on...this isn't new.
I've read it and it's old news. Everyone new to the 14 has tried and tested various routes to what works and what doesn't. That's how I came to my decision to go with flies in and TRE with PCIII and custom map. His dyno posts seem to be current as they weren't on there the other day. I'd be interested to see dyno posts with flies in, TRE and the various exhaust setups. As I mentioned, who else has vested the time and money to show the results he has posted...regardless if some may think it's a feable attempt to sell his TRE. I for one will post what numbers I pull with flies in, TRE and PCIII with Yosh full system. Then again, I can't compare my numbers to what Ivan posted since a ton of environmental factors will skew the end result, ie; humidity, atmospheric pressure, dyno operator and dyno model.
I think the crapping is unjustified at this juncture...no?
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