posted September 17, 2006 08:15 PM
Edited By: kspz3 on 17 Sep 2006 21:19
quote:thats interesting............you keep talking about gay banter....when
asked questions as it pertains to this topic.....and ya seem to be
bragging about a wrangler in you sign line.......
could ya try answering my question (s)..........??
what has the zx14 done in real world...top speed runs..............that
would cause............me to be jealous about.........or my son
to be impressed with...........""""
use engineering terminology if possible.........
and the main bike of topic is red...(ie in the picture).......that ran at BUB meet...in sept.....
or would you like to talk about the blue 14 that ran at Speedweek in Aug 06....??
please let me know the qualifications to this thread...........how many Kawasaki's do
I need to own to ask questions and participate in the dialogue.........??
as far as "who cares"..........the topic starter flyboy DOES.....he is speaking about
education with regard to lsr classes..........some of us are trying to stay on topic....
Joe - Are you a racer or a follower of Land Speed Racing. If a racer - why hammer a rookie, first year out that is excied regarding his accomplishments - if not a racer then why not just read....... and join in the fun. Flyboy - I am interested in learning more about your experience at Bonnevile - mine is set up similar - I am hoping to make Maxton next week (and a rookie) - if a number of issues in personal life hold together. I will be running time only - licesing and shake down runs for next year. I am hoping that OldKawboy will be there to give me some pointers. I am personally impressed with the numbers - although I am hoping to knock on 200 at Bonneville next year - Time Only - just for the fun of it......... No Records Attempts but personal ones........ and Joe - I would like to know the net impact of enhanced areodynamics verses reduced horsepower - and also - if you could tell me how many HP per MPH you need to increase per formance between 195 and 200 - serious question if you are sitting on some sound knowledge.
posted September 17, 2006 08:18 PM
STOP ! Yer KILLIN' me. Wait-- let me get up off the floor OMG I Can't stand this....
Fly boy - You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. The Amo brothers have been doing The Salt for nearly 20 years. Jonathan RUNS the landracing website and Joe is WELL into the two club. Jon's 600 is knockin' on the 2 club door and Joea has encyclopedia-like knowledge of the record book. Stop before you make an even more COMPLETE fool of yourself.
Joe- you are showing admirable restraint......
Flyboy- you did good and I respect the effort but get a GRIP.....
quote:flyboy..........Joe has been at this Bonneville thing a long time. He enters a Kawasaki also......... Just trying to prevent further embarrassment................:wink
Quote:
"LMAO...
JoeA doesn't know anything about LSR... Just some hillbilly is the middle of anywhere."
Yeah............Rapid City SD can seem like nowhere but htere are a lot of real fast guys there................
AHEM!!............ I'm not knockin you either flyboy........didn't want you to get in too deep.........that's all. ____________
I'd Rather Be Roadracing.
Excellent - it was a real question - i.e. Joe - can you tell me how many HP to increase one MPH in the 195 to 200 range. This is beyond the scope of my text...... as the engineering books used to say when I read them awhile back. I am figuring that I am currently short of what you need to get to 200.... and therefore trying to understand what is needed to get there. Are there set-up options that could reduce the HP requirements - such as a reasonable strategy at reducing drag? Joe - will you be at Maxton next week?
KSP
Joe - Are you a racer or a follower of Land Speed Racing. If a racer - why hammer a rookie, first year out that is excied regarding his accomplishments - if not a racer then why not just read....... and join in the fun.
That was my point why be so hard on the dude geez... who cares "who is trying to impress who"... lol
Reminds me of the 'Busa guys at the strip..."I beat the ZX14!, and the only mods I have are nitro, gears, turbo, exhaust, lowered and strapped, and oh by the way I've been drag racing 40 years and was on the rules committee at NHRA since rocks were forming. And your blue ZX14 is supposed to impress me dammit!"
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posted September 18, 2006 05:37 AM
This thread has gone completely sideways. A guy posts about his experiences at Bonneville, takes the time to do a good writeup and post some nice pics. Was he 'too enthusiastic' for some peep's tastes? I guess so... So some people come out of lurking and decide it's time to parade their knowledge of who's who and what's what at Bonneville. Gee, I hope they feel big and bad now!
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posted September 18, 2006 06:55 AM
Edited By: flyboy on 18 Sep 2006 09:25
To the Bonneville vets-- welcome to our site. But hiding behind "your son"? That was a little chicken shit don't you think? And don't worry about me. I was an Army Ranger. Nothing bothers me.
I'm glad you guys are monitoring this site because I wanted to ask you a question about this years Speed Week which is run by the SCTA. Yes, you guys. Everyone at BUB was talking about the Busa(?) that ran in the 1350 production class that went over 200 mph. Everyone said he had Nitro and took off his equipment before he came into impound. Is that true? Are your rules that lacking? Why is it that you guys allow four hours to return a bike into impound the check the engine? Hell I could play 18 holes of golf and dismantle two turbo kits in that time. Did you know at BUB you are required to return your bike immediately to impound after a record run and most of the time are even escourted by an AMA official. And why do you guys only run one way down the course with your second run coming many of the times the next day-- in the same direction? Don't you think a little bit of wind might help your speeds? At BUB you are required to make a return run (opposite direction) within two hours (FIM) and fours hours (AMA) rules.Why does the FIM (World) rep only come to BUB and not to your meets? Yes the SCTA has a great history but times are changing. BUB saw the problems and inconsistancies and established this meet three years ago.
I love the history of Bonneville but when SCTA records are thrown at me, I take them with a grain of salt. Why don't you guys be real men and come to the BUB speed trials next year. You might find it more challeging and your speed times.... a lot slower.
And by the way-- the stock 14 is a hell of a lot faster than the stock Busa.
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posted September 18, 2006 07:23 AM
post proof that zx 14 is alot faster stock not according to sport rider same day same rider.show room stock only,not modded by mirrors removed and sprocket changed.you all need to wake up if you think the zx 14 is the fastest ever.this site should post truth not i saw i was at and so on.why delete my post .speak the truth.
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posted September 18, 2006 07:30 AM
Edited By: swft on 18 Sep 2006 08:49
cool yer a fucking troll. Noone says that the ZX14 is the fastest bike in the world. I think that distinction prolly belongs to the Ducati MotoGP bike, since it's done 240. This thread is about one guy's experience at Bonneville. If you don't have any useful or constructive input, I'll just nuke your nappy little ass every time.
posted September 18, 2006 08:03 AM
Ya they are trolls. Anyone into racing (especially seasoned pro's) would be offering tips and advice of how to go faster, not bashing other's bikes.
These guys are simply , watch yer !!!
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posted September 18, 2006 08:11 AM
And he keeps saying "impress my 10 year old son"-
yo, if you wanna' impress me and my son, go across I-275 Howard-Franklin interstate bridge at 150-160 MPH with a babe on the back of your bike. And if you really wanna make a better impression, rather than be on the back, she'll be on her own bike beside you. Until then, you all keep writing rules and bashing on people. You trolls and your sons really rock!
posted September 18, 2006 08:31 AM
This really turnd into somthing..........
I wish I could go run on the Salt........
Thanks for going out there to represent for us.........
Even in stock form the 14 has shown itself to excel in the real world of street riding - ask the lucky few who own both 14 and 'busa........
posted September 18, 2006 09:05 AM
Edited By: landracing on 18 Sep 2006 10:28
Flyboy,
You are the one in your own statement that is lacking the history of the sport... There is a reason why both record runat SCTA events in same direction, There is a reason why AMA is not part of SCTA, Learn the history of BUB's meet and why it is there, what had to happen for it to be, learn why FIM is not at SCTA events, learn the history before you knock it...
BY the way JoeA's MPS-F record in 1000cc 223 mph was within 1 hour turnaround during an SCTA event with World Sanctioning at the event. Opposite directions...
Also you must not know the rules, read the rule book... The BUB rules are an off breed of all SCTA rules from last year. Where do you think BUB got the rules from??? During a SCTA event you are impounded after your run.... Maint only in inpound and you have four hours to do it...
And actually Speed runs at BUB's should be faster, you have an extra mile to do so over an SCTA event. SCTA event only has 5 miles, bub's you have 5 miles runup and 1 mile timed with kilo inside of it.
Your statement of being slower is so false, which seems to be the lack of knowledge... How do you think the streamliners are the FASTEST they ever have been, the siton bike record is faster at BUB's then any other event... ETC ETC...
posted September 18, 2006 09:34 AM
Also you have a misunderstanding of where the courses are layed out..
You have had the opportunity to have the best course to run on in a very long time... You ran what they call the international course.. This course is used only a couple times since 1991.. The SCTA courses were sub par at best... JoeA happened to run on it and went 246 mph... Think what he could have done with an extra mile and a much much much better course... I ran on the SCTA Speedweek course, THE Bub course and the USFRA course last week.. THE USFRA course used the old Speedweek course.. WHich is just crap in my view... I had handling problems at Speedweek, BUB's I had not problems and hooked up and went, USFRA meet back on SCTA course I just spun the tire at 180 mph (eventually chunked a tire)... So there is a difference in course selection and layout...
Speedweek courses there are two courses in a V pattern, BUB's only one course and they used the international course....
Learn more and you will understand... SO your statements are so very wrong and for a first timer are understandable...
posted September 18, 2006 09:40 AM
Wait until you get to run on a course where cars have eaten the surface of the salt up and you get to follow in those grooves in the salt... 1000-4000 hp cars spinning the tire and grooving the salt... When you get to run after a 400 mph streamliner car, parts on the course, roadsters spinning on the course, when you run in those type of conditions and run fast then lets have this discussion again...
You had the luxury of a motorcycle only meet, NO CARS, and an awesome course to run on at BUB's... And you went 180's-190's... Cant wait till you run on a subpar course and see what the numbers are...
posted September 18, 2006 11:23 AM
Edited By: landracing on 18 Sep 2006 12:26
Everything in quotes is from Flyboy, and my response it below each one.
"But hiding behind "your son"? That was a little chicken shit don't you think? And don't worry about me. I was an Army Ranger. Nothing bothers me."
I think its funny that a 10 year old is asking the question too. Funny that this 10 year old is a salt veteran, he has 10 years of salt under his belt.. And knows the rules too..
"Busa(?) that ran in the 1350 production class that went over 200 mph. Everyone said he had Nitro and took off his equipment before he came into impound. Is that true? Are your rules that lacking?"
That is funny because I was sitting in his trailer after this run and he didnt take anything off of his bike. He ran just after JoeA did and both stopped within 50 feet of each other. Wether he did or not have nitrous is I dont know
"Why is it that you guys allow four hours to return a bike into impound the check the engine? Hell I could play 18 holes of golf and dismantle two turbo kits in that time."
Just goes to show you that you dont know what you are talking about. You have 1 hour to return to impound. The reason for 1 hour is during an SCTA event you cannot ride your bike to or from anywhere under power. You must trailer it. And speeds are 25 mph. End the run, wait for trailer to pick you up, load it, and back to impound. There are course steward who do watch you during the whole process along the course and look for mischief.
"BUB saw the problems and inconsistancies and established this meet three years ago."
BUB didn't see this, you are totally mistaken on the fact of that. That is NOT why he established the meet.
"I love the history of Bonneville but when SCTA records are thrown at me, I take them with a grain of salt."
So the people who have set the history of the sport, Their speeds mean nothing.
"Why don't you guys be real men and come to the BUB speed trials next year. You might find it more challeging and your speed times.... a lot slower."
This statement is for far from the truth, I ask you to be a real man and learn the history before making a childish comment like that.
"And by the way-- the stock 14 is a hell of a lot faster than the stock Busa."
And that statement is far from the truth also... Your own runs speak loudly.... Slower....
posted September 18, 2006 01:19 PM
We don't go over to "landracing.com" and bash new model bikes (and folks who enjoy running them). A friend told me Joea posts over there and now I see the name "landracing" and have to assume....
I'd expect the 'busa crowd to come over here bashing folks...but uhmmm... kinda' blows my mind that you all are.
Its funny you mention 'busa s anyway as many of us have them or had them anyway...uhmm yer point!? And when the next (significantly) new and improved busa or any other bike comes to market, I'll be first in line...08' maybe?
I could be ghey as phook like some of you and go over to landracing.com and play negatives in the threads, but my own son would wonder about me if I did that
But while yer playing in the threads bashing the next newest bike, I'll be riding with some gal on the back of that very model, or beside a lady that owns one.
Since you all are "king of speed" I'd expect tips on how to make a bike perform better in each class, not bash how it comes out of the crate.
Please go on back to landracing.com and tell the other hero's how ya'll "kicked azz" with flyboy and everyone in the bikeland threads... thats whats expected of your caliber anyway.
I'm sure I'll see movies about you hero's soon. And you all do a wonderful job of representing what the landracing crowd is about.
posted September 18, 2006 01:41 PM
Are you just mad cause I am posting facts...
These are the facts, you cant dispute them....
I love debate about LSR so if you have something you would like to debate please let me know...
All of my answers and posts are straight from flyboys posts,,, He asked or posed the questions and half truths, I posted the facts...
And I am on several boards, my objective is to promote lsr and KEEP the facts straight, and limit the misrepresentations of the sport... We welcome anybody with open arms and I offer anybody my pit space during any event... You can come out anytime and Ill help you as much as I can...
posted September 18, 2006 02:47 PM
You know how many come over here from every performance type thread available, to bash the ZX14 crowd? Why is that?
Facts? Debate? Lets throw in performance.
Lets talk about facts, and maybe debate them. For some reason, Flyboy tried the land speed thing but posted in bikeland.org rather than landracing.com and why is that?
That brings us to facts and performance.
I went and peeked at landracing.com, are you serious? Did you steal that old web interface from aol's software history archives (from their dos version 2.0)? And with 798 users, and only one sponsor waving a banner...uhm.... ok enough about performance huh.
And the LCR banner, maybe that 10 year old boy you boast thats smarter than anyone in these bikeland threads could perhaps give you guys some help. Is this what you guys really use? lmao c'mon man!?
The web page say "New Changes Coming to the boards soon"...do you promise? Changes like a new site admin and replace the software? The 10 year old mini-hero among ya'll could be a better admin by far, and a suggestion is scrap your software and perhaps look at vbulletin.com. Perhaps get a few moderators, oh wait with so few visitors that should prolly be last priority.
OK Now, if I was like you clowns, I'd run a "comparison" of this bikeland thread to your stuff. But wouldn't that be quite
I plan to visit Maxton or TX sooner than later with my bike. And I won't be the fastest out there by far but I'll be having fun. And if I bump into to you or see that banner from your site at a pit I'll shake yer hand and tell you I'm the one that posted the BS about landracing.com on bikeland. And I'll grin and ask "isn't it amazing what retarded stuff most of us debate on the Internet!?"
posted September 18, 2006 02:53 PM
The site works as it is.
If you knew the demographics of hte majority of the LSR community you would understand. Site is easy to navigate, 900 some users on the board is great considering that LSR is an amatuer sport. With over 2.4 million hits in August I say the site is doing pretty well. I dont do it for the money, I do it for the love of the sport... I do it because I want to do it. The site works off of donations... I post at all the events at Bonneville. I havent missed one since 1996... I have gained the respect of my peers for what I do...
posted September 18, 2006 03:10 PM
Im guessing since you now want to bash my website, and go off of the topic here. Which is about a ZX14 and why is was a kick ass performance. And since you can't stand up like a man and debate that subject by posting facts, I guess you are conceding to my comments on the ZX14 debate. And all I did was correct his (flyboys) misinformation... With facts....
Now if you want to bash my website I welcome you to come on over, register for the board, and post your topic... Myself and my members would love to see what you have to offer, go thru your comments... but I dont think this is a topic for this website... DO YOU???
posted September 18, 2006 03:13 PM
Landracing - Thanks for the personal time that you invest in the website - I have been looking at it for years and it works - LSR is a limited sport and I appreciate the effort - having my own site - which does not compare at all - I know the work that you must put in. Anyway - welcome to zx14.com - Actually it would be great to hear about some of your and your brothers experience at Bonneville and Land Racing over the years. I would like to hear your advise on how to get a ZX14 to 200 and beyond - how significant is the difference of racing at Bonnevillie than at Maxton or Texas. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
KSP
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posted September 17, 2006 08:12 PM
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I'm not knockin you either flyboy........didn't want you to get in too deep.........that's all. 
posted September 17, 2006 08:53 PM
, watch yer 
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lmao c'mon man!?