posted August 09, 2006 05:36 PM
Anyone having bog issues without flies It seems im having bog issues. I have the pc3 with the mega exhaust and flies out map. The bike isnt very responsive down in the low rpm. When i open the throttle wide open bellow 2k the bike bogs before accelerating. Also in second it doesnt quickly accelerate until past 3k. Is this something everone is experiencing. A few guys say their bike can wheelie in second. Mine doesnt do that. Im still going to get a custom map for it. Now once im up and going i have no problems. Anyone have the same thing happen
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posted August 09, 2006 05:50 PM
Well my bike flat rips, With Brocks Smeg and map with flies out, but I can't wheelie in second, I would think no matter what set up is on the bike It is going to bog if opend wide up below 2000 rpm, and any inline four I've been on don't acelerate before 3000. just my 2 cents.
posted August 09, 2006 05:51 PM
did you not read the 18 page writeup we have about removing the flies??
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posted August 09, 2006 06:04 PM
Fish, Brock has since changed his mind on the plates being a only track mod and He also found out it was the race gas causing his stumbling and dying issues. He stated to me on the phone that he was going to have to eat crow and say it was a good all around mod.
posted August 09, 2006 06:17 PM
Bently... I'll wait for Brock to call me... if that's the case we'll update the review. It's news to me and he's got my #.
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posted August 09, 2006 06:24 PM
When you snap the throttle open at that low of an RPM the port stalls for a split second. If you owned a bike with flat slides you would understand. Simply roll it and then snap the bitch open. It's a simple thing to do if you understand what the motor is asking for. And the results are just as instant.
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posted August 09, 2006 07:00 PM
Fish Can't explain Why Brock did not call you, I'm sure he is a busy man, Just telling you what he told me on the phone, and actually there is a post on here about flies where brock said it was a good mod and he had to eat crow.
quote:Fish Can't explain Why Brock did not call you, I'm sure he is a busy man, Just telling you what he told me on the phone, and actually there is a post on here about flies where brock said it was a good mod and he had to eat crow.
Brock said it was a good MOD for the track and he didn't think it was a good mod for the street. He likes the TRE for that, BUT many have stated that they have ZERO problems on the street. I DON'T think Brock has any Crow on the menu today
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posted August 09, 2006 07:11 PM
Hey just saying what he said to me on the phone, I;m sure he will get on here or talk to Fish and explain. I have no reason to make up anything and why would I when brock reads alot of this stuff, he said it was the race gas causing all of his problems with the flies out, he sent me a map that works great with the flies removed on pump gas. You can't tell the bike is any different then stock sitting there at idle. And the crow was not on the menu today i talked to him a couple of weeks ago!
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posted August 09, 2006 07:13 PM
Gunner you just said what I did in my second post on here, I don't think to many bikes like being slapped wide open below 2000 rpms.
posted August 09, 2006 07:19 PM
My puppy snaps crisp where ever the throttle is cracked! She lifts on demand in 1st & 2nd. Once in a while in 3rd! Get the bike tuned by a qualified tuner & this problem will disappear. I think I sent you my map right? Is that the one you're using?
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posted August 09, 2006 07:27 PM
Well it might be my 220 lbs why it won't wheelie in second. No I'm using brocks map. and when I say wheelie I don't mean double whacking the throttle, I mean just wide open once.
quote:Well it might be my 220 lbs why it won't wheelie in second. No I'm using brocks map. and when I say wheelie I don't mean double whacking the throttle, I mean just wide open once.
I'm 245lb w/ gear & I'm not talking about clutchin' it either. POWER Wheelies! I'm not doing 12o'clocks in 3rd. Just 12' off the ground on the power.Got the race gas goin on!
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posted August 09, 2006 07:36 PM
Brock said in these threads he had to "eat crow" and the secondaries out are good. The fact the 18 page thingie wasn't updated is why I was hestitant on my recent order for the gen3 and PC, but that stuff will be here tomorrow.
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posted August 09, 2006 07:41 PM
didnt get that map zx1kr. Still need it if you have it. Ive been rolling the throttle. I dont have a problem with that. I ride the bike all the time and notice different things that i would like to see fine tuned. If you have gone through the trouble of performing mods. I would think you would want the most you can get out of it. I agree once your moving the bike revs like it should. If theres someway of correcting this issue i want to do it. Beside this is a fuel injected bike. It acts as though the flys are still in. That is until 3k or so. Guys i just want the bike to be responsive at any rpm. When the throttle open the bike should not hesitate. My xx only had a 16t and made 133hp 80tq. It wasnt fuel injected. When i opened the throttle it responded quickly. No hesitation. I know the bikes are different. You cant tell me a carb responds better than fuel injection. This bike well out performs my xx. Even with the hp and tq difference the xx accelerated a whole lot harder. Im going by the seat of my pants test. Ive thought about a 16 for this bike. I think i can have that type of force and response with the 17.
quote:Gunner you just said what I did in my second post on here, I don't think to many bikes like being slapped wide open below 2000 rpms.
I didn't read every post I only skimmed past for the high points. Nothing tunned within an inch of it's life will be perfect everywhere. That's another reason Kawak put the secondaries in. They know that you'll have guys that will snap it WFO off idle and the port will stall. With the blades closed the velocity is maintained and the stumble is never seen. You can't have both worlds. You want perfect throttle responce or do you want something that Runs like a bat out of hell?
posted August 09, 2006 07:43 PM
Oh yea and Brock did say he was using race gas. That was causing the drive issues. It was corrected when using 89 oct gas.
quote:didnt get that map zx1kr. Still need it if you have it. Ive been rolling the throttle. I dont have a problem with that. I ride the bike all the time and notice different things that i would like to see fine tuned. If you have gone through the trouble of performing mods. I would think you would want the most you can get out of it. I agree once your moving the bike revs like it should. If theres someway of correcting this issue i want to do it. Beside this is a fuel injected bike. It acts as though the flys are still in. That is until 3k or so. Guys i just want the bike to be responsive at any rpm. When the throttle open the bike should not hesitate. My xx only had a 16t and made 133hp 80tq. It wasnt fuel injected. When i opened the throttle it responded quickly. No hesitation. I know the bikes are different. You cant tell me a carb responds better than fuel injection. This bike well out performs my xx. Even with the hp and tq difference the xx accelerated a whole lot harder. Im going by the seat of my pants test. Ive thought about a 16 for this bike. I think i can have that type of force and response with the 17.
Do you have any map in it? If you want one drop me a line on friday, I gotta run to NYC tommorrow wont be in the shop.
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