vegasdude
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posted June 30, 2006 06:37 PM
 Edited By: vegasdude on 30 Jun 2006 19:42
VegasDude's dyno results and TRE results
As a lot of you know, I posted up that I was going to DynoJet here in Las Vegas last week to dyno my 14. My bike is stock with the exception of Brock's pipe and a power commander. I also bought a TRE from Ivan and I wanted to do a before and after with the TRE. I wanted to do a session at the Official DynoJet facility with Dusty doing the tuning. Please note that I am not a professional tuner or have any type of knowledge of these things. I am a rider that likes roll on's and top end runs, like most of the people on this board. I bought and paid for Brock's pipe and power commander and I paid for the TRE as well. This is really an independent test at an independent facility and I will state the results as they were. First off, Las Vegas is not the best city to get the best horsepower due to altitude at about 2,700 feet where dynojet is located, and due to heat of about 91 degrees at 7 am in the morning and the barometric pressure falling. I do have dyno sheets but they are .drf files and I haven't figured out how to post them as when you right click on them, no option to send or save is available. But someone I'm sure will tell me how to do this. I also did not want to post my results earlier because I knew that Brock and Oliver were testing as well. My independent test is kinda like to keep things equal.
Stock ZX 14 at DynoJet made 158 horsepower and 97 pounds of torque stock. With the addition of Brock's Pipe and power commander I made 179.35 hp with 103.95 pounds of torque! To make 21 horsepower in these conditions is amazing. My correction factor was 1.09 which is terrible. I was using normal gasoline at 91 octane. I was using Brock's map and according to Dusty, Brock's map was nearly perfect! I then installed the TRE. I gained 15 lbs of torque and 12 horsepower between 3200 and 3800 rpm compared to the run with pipe and power commander. I should also say that I gained torque and horsepower from the very start of the run thru almost the entire torque and HP band. With the TRE at peak horsepower my horsepower was 178.50 and torque was 104.91. Even though I had Brock's map for the TRE, Dusty just remapped for the TRE with Brock's original map. Brock puts a lot of effort in his maps and for those people that don't have access to a dyno, don't worry Brock has you covered! Dusty was amazed at the difference the TRE made! The bottom line is Brock's stuff works, his maps are dialed in and the TRE does what is claimed. You will have to remap with the TRE but if you have a pipe and a power commander this isn't a big issue. One thing with the TRE is you will lose your neutral light and shift/launch light, which for a street rider is no big deal. Your gear indicator will be showing 6th. No biggie for me either. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll post the dyno sheets when I figure it out. One last thing. I spoke with Ivan when I ordered the TRE, he had no idea who I was or what I was about to do. He took the time to talk to me about his product and he overnighted the TRE for me and I received it the very next day. I liked dealing with him.
  
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posted June 30, 2006 08:04 PM
Would have been nice to do a run with the flies out, then one with the flies out and the TRE to see how much $70 gains you over the flies being out. With the bike being told it is in 6th, I am guessing that the flies are pretty open down low, giving you that HP and TQ increase.
I have my service manual, and I believe I have dissected the ECU output to the step motor of the flies. The voltage is roughly between .5 v to 4.15v being fed to the flies to open them up, I think supplying a separate voltage supply that you can variably dial in will give you what the others are getting by taking the flies out. I only hope I don't throw codes, I don't expect I will.
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vegasdude
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posted June 30, 2006 08:35 PM
did not want to mess with the flies..............like I said I'm really not good at that kind of stuff................
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posted June 30, 2006 09:32 PM
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One thing with the TRE is you will lose your neutral light and shift/launch light, which for a street rider is no big deal. Your gear indicator will be showing 6th. No biggie for me either. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll post the dyno sheets when I figure it out. One last thing. I spoke with Ivan when I ordered the TRE, he had no idea who I was or what I was about to do. He took the time to talk to me about his product and he overnighted the TRE for me and I received it the very next day. I liked dealing with him.
I didn't lose the neutral light or shift light on my 14 with the TRE installed, had it on for several weeks and both of those items work for me.
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kawasaki_rick
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posted June 30, 2006 09:38 PM
Damn i thought stock zx14s made 180 rear hp. 158 thats a real let down. Wouldnt a stock 12 make 160?
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ZXLNT
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posted June 30, 2006 09:50 PM
Edited By: ZXLNT on 30 Jun 2006 23:07
Dyno's vary dude. Dyno's Vary...
And rick the MSO only states 190 crankshaft HP.
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3Boysand3Bikes
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posted June 30, 2006 10:29 PM
Vegas.. I appreciate your post... it is obviously intended to give the facts as you know them... I for one like things to work correctly... and the fact that the gear indicator is always in 6th bugs me. I don't need it per say.. but at times it is handy. The nuetral light to me is a bit of a safety thing. I don't rely on it.. but it is does give a second added step to insure it is in nuetral. I would think that the shift light should still work since the shift light works in all gears... and it thinks it is in 6th... however, I thought that the bike was optimum curve in 5th gear?? Do you notice any IDLE changes?? Rough IDLE?? And lastly, does the "auto choke" seem to work the same after all of your mods? I am scared to do anything to it at this point because it seems to be set up so well... I mean it is gutless down low... but it runs so well. I live in Wisconsin and I only get about 36mpg... My bike seems to be able to use more fuel... let me (us) know what your fuel consumption does after the work?? Thanks again for informing us... ps... it seems IVAN is plugging the holes in his PR situation... maybe he could lower the price for us animals on this 'terrible' website??
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vegasdude
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posted July 01, 2006 05:45 AM
Edited By: vegasdude on 1 Jul 2006 06:54
The bike runs perfect. No idle issues what so ever. My fuel consumption went up after tuning about 1.5 mpg. The auto choke works like normal. It's pretty sweet! Don't forget the TRE is easily reverseable so go for it...................!
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vegasdude
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posted July 01, 2006 05:47 AM
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One thing with the TRE is you will lose your neutral light and shift/launch light, which for a street rider is no big deal. Your gear indicator will be showing 6th. No biggie for me either. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll post the dyno sheets when I figure it out. One last thing. I spoke with Ivan when I ordered the TRE, he had no idea who I was or what I was about to do. He took the time to talk to me about his product and he overnighted the TRE for me and I received it the very next day. I liked dealing with him.
I didn't lose the neutral light or shift light on my 14 with the TRE installed, had it on for several weeks and both of those items work for me.
If your neutral light works, then it's hooked up wrong.
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vegasdude
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posted July 01, 2006 05:49 AM
Edited By: vegasdude on 1 Jul 2006 06:50
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Damn i thought stock zx14s made 180 rear hp. 158 thats a real let down. Wouldnt a stock 12 make 160?
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No stock 14 ever made 180 with stock pipes. Typically they make 163 or 164 before tuning with stock pipes. In vegas, with the heat and bad air, we are typically down 5 hp. I got 179 with pipe and tuning. Hell, with my Busa, I got 180 hp with pipe, pc3 and stage one yosh cams. So I think I'm styling pretty good here............................and my cams were dialed in too. I paid extra labor to have the engine taken out and put the cams in to do it right!
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posted July 01, 2006 02:08 PM
No stock 14 ever made 180 with stock pipes. Typically they make 163 or 164 before tuning with stock pipes. In vegas, with the heat and bad air, we are typically down 5 hp. I got 179 with pipe and tuning. Hell, with my Busa, I got 180 hp with pipe, pc3 and stage one yosh cams. So I think I'm styling pretty good here............................and my cams were dialed in too. I paid extra labor to have the engine taken out and put the cams in to do it right!
You had the cams degreed?
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posted July 01, 2006 02:19 PM
Good info vegasdude....Thanks Man !!!!
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posted July 01, 2006 02:38 PM
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One thing with the TRE is you will lose your neutral light and shift/launch light, which for a street rider is no big deal. Your gear indicator will be showing 6th. No biggie for me either. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll post the dyno sheets when I figure it out. One last thing. I spoke with Ivan when I ordered the TRE, he had no idea who I was or what I was about to do. He took the time to talk to me about his product and he overnighted the TRE for me and I received it the very next day. I liked dealing with him.
I didn't lose the neutral light or shift light on my 14 with the TRE installed, had it on for several weeks and both of those items work for me.
Same here.
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vegasdude
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posted July 01, 2006 02:39 PM
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No stock 14 ever made 180 with stock pipes. Typically they make 163 or 164 before tuning with stock pipes. In vegas, with the heat and bad air, we are typically down 5 hp. I got 179 with pipe and tuning. Hell, with my Busa, I got 180 hp with pipe, pc3 and stage one yosh cams. So I think I'm styling pretty good here............................and my cams were dialed in too. I paid extra labor to have the engine taken out and put the cams in to do it right!
You had the cams degreed?
Yes the yosh stage 1 cams were degreed!
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posted July 01, 2006 02:43 PM
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One thing with the TRE is you will lose your neutral light and shift/launch light, which for a street rider is no big deal. Your gear indicator will be showing 6th. No biggie for me either. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I'll post the dyno sheets when I figure it out. One last thing. I spoke with Ivan when I ordered the TRE, he had no idea who I was or what I was about to do. He took the time to talk to me about his product and he overnighted the TRE for me and I received it the very next day. I liked dealing with him.
I didn't lose the neutral light or shift light on my 14 with the TRE installed, had it on for several weeks and both of those items work for me.
If your neutral light works, then it's hooked up wrong.
My works great... Ivan walk me through, and my neutral and my shift light work.. Give Ivan a call.
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zx1kr
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posted July 01, 2006 02:49 PM
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No stock 14 ever made 180 with stock pipes. Typically they make 163 or 164 before tuning with stock pipes. In vegas, with the heat and bad air, we are typically down 5 hp. I got 179 with pipe and tuning. Hell, with my Busa, I got 180 hp with pipe, pc3 and stage one yosh cams. So I think I'm styling pretty good here............................and my cams were dialed in too. I paid extra labor to have the engine taken out and put the cams in to do it right!
You had the cams degreed?
Yes the yosh stage 1 cams were degreed
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