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posted June 26, 2006 07:35 AM
That's a 5[.9534]% gear diff right? Just add 5% to the correction factor. 17/41 is stock.
I find short gearing from a 60-80 roll hurts my acceleration [untested on the 14].
Everybody disagrees w/me on that issue. You will have to show me on that 1.
I will bet you a dollar I am right on that.
Also a 10% SH correction factor still won't get you to 200 w/short gears.
But if you still want short gears, you can just put in a 15-20% to be safe for Woodbridge, right?
The SH correction factor for accurate speedo should be -15% w/43/17 gearing, right?
  
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posted June 26, 2006 07:38 AM
Remember your tack is prob off 200rpm [10,400=10,200 actual], unless Euro bikes get a better ECU or something.
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posted June 26, 2006 08:34 AM
Bob C,
I just got off the phone w/Laura, Cal- Sportbikes, the US dist for SH.
She said the SH only corrects the signal, like you said.
So the SH on our bikes[off 10%],will also correct automically for any gear changes after we input the proper correction factor, right?
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posted June 26, 2006 08:49 AM
Dan, Oldkawboy,
When you say stock. Do you mean box stock?
Also, a 18 front will only let you go197mph [186 + 5.88%=], right?
Sounds like the bike pulled the gear great.
I've got an 18. Debating whether to install.
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serius blk
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posted June 26, 2006 10:24 AM
This is my question how did zxk1r get his 14 to 200mph on the rear wheel on the dyno. He has a sh with the 10% correction. He also has the dyno papers to show it.
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BobC
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posted June 26, 2006 11:20 AM
 Edited By: BobC on 26 Jun 2006 12:23
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This is my question how did zxk1r get his 14 to 200mph on the rear wheel on the dyno. He has a sh with the 10% correction. He also has the dyno papers to show it.
Getting 200 on a dyno is not the same as 200 on the road. No wind resistance for a start. With minus 10% set on the Speedo healer it should give (186 + 18.6)mph before the limiter cuts in, assuming the gearing was standard and the speedo was accurate to start with. If the gearing was raised it's even easier. So 200mph on the dyno is possible.
....and Mano, yes what you said is right.
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zx1kr
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posted June 26, 2006 09:51 PM
But, this is the thing. The bike pulled the #'s. didn't shut down. I saw the speedo buried & the dyno speedo is accurate within 1/100th on mph. So, yes there is no wind resistance but the bike is no longer restricted to 186 if it'll pull far past it on the dyno. If it was still restricted it would have stopped pulling at 186.
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BobC
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posted June 26, 2006 11:28 PM
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But, this is the thing. The bike pulled the #'s. didn't shut down. I saw the speedo buried & the dyno speedo is accurate within 1/100th on mph. So, yes there is no wind resistance but the bike is no longer restricted to 186 if it'll pull far past it on the dyno. If it was still restricted it would have stopped pulling at 186.
If that's true we have to think outside the box. Was it really restricted to 186 in the first place ? What would it pull on the dyno' with the Speedo Healer in transparent mode ?
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Brock CT Full System. etc
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posted June 27, 2006 10:58 AM
it is restricted! went 2 teeth up in rear and it shuts off at 10,400 in 6th at 177gps. it gets there hard and would certainly pull atleast another 400 revs, i tried it kept on sounding like it went to three cyclinders. if you hold it it just doesnt pull anymore.
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posted June 27, 2006 11:55 AM
Thanks Tru,
Good numbers. I've been waiting for some cross references for my calcs.
So the limiter shuts us down at 10,400rpm indicated.
Which is 10,150-10,200rpm actual, my calcs.
10,128rpm, according to published/posted numbers calculated in gears. 202mph @11,000rpm.
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oldkawboy
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posted June 27, 2006 08:28 PM
Mano,
The 14 was completely stock except for the countersprocket swap. It had 24 miles on it when we got to Maxton and 62 when we left. That was on the spec fuel (Sunoco pump gas) and only lowered using the stock suspension, no straps allowed in production class.
It still had the break-in oil.
My son Chad ran the 196+ and I made a couple of 187+ passes, I weigh 215 suited up.
The 14's are AWESOME!
Dan
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posted June 28, 2006 04:03 AM
Oldkawboy,
Thanks. Truely awesome.
I have always had good results going up w/gearing, to improve acceleration.
And my Busas, 12 and my 10R had a tall 1st gear, so my 60ft times got hurt w/higher gear.
But launches/wheelies were easier to manage. So maybe not.
Still, nobody but me and you is convinced. They just think my bike's were faster.
But the 14 has a short 1st gear.
So, do you think I can go 9's w/18 front on my 14?
There was 1 other member 2 days ago, that got posted better launches/60ft w/a taller gear for that very reason. He mite have already had pipe/PCIII/Fly's removed.
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posted June 28, 2006 04:14 AM
"So, do you think I can go 9's w/18 front on my 14?"
Yes - you could still get in the 9.80's with pipe/pc/tune...
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posted June 28, 2006 04:27 AM
Thanks Nukedog.
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oldkawboy
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posted June 28, 2006 09:55 AM
Mano,
It's hard to say about your times being I don't know you but I have no reason to doubt the 14 is fully capable of nines with an average talented / size rider. With only gearing changes ( and using all the wheelbase) lowered and MR1 or 9 the bike will surprise people for sure.
We had to return the 14 after Maxton, my son was REALLY wanting to take it to the strip.
The 18 made the bike feel a tad lazy taking off but man it sure picked up after that!
Dan
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zx1kr
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posted June 28, 2006 04:46 PM
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Yes I did. Will post dyno sheets soon....................waiting for an email from Dusty!
What's up w/ your dyno results? Did they get lost in the E-mail? LOL
Cant you even tell us the #'s & what you have on the bike?
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posted June 28, 2006 06:48 PM
Dan,
Thanks,
We'll see about the nines.
'A little slow taking off...'
Boy did it ever get going after that.
Makes me want to go to Maxton.
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oldkawboy
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posted June 28, 2006 07:09 PM
Mano,
The September meet at Maxton will host the Fastest Streetbike Shootout, come join the fun!
Check out the July issue of Sport Rider magazine, there's a good article on Maxton, a ZX10R and my son...........me and my other son even get an honorable mention.
Dan
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posted June 29, 2006 02:53 AM
Will do. Thanks Dan.
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