S A Kruz
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posted June 14, 2006 10:39 AM
Poll Question:
POWER BELOW 5000 RPM
Are you happy with the low end grunt of the ZX14 or do you want more?
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2006 ZX-14 Passion Red, Flies Out, Yoshimura TRC, PCIII, TRE006a and Custom Map
2004 VTX 1300C Candy Apple Red
Poll Results:
 4 votes (13%)
I am completely satisfied with the low end power!
20 votes (67%)
I am not satisfied with the low end power!
6 votes (20%)
I have no opinion either way!
  
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Drowland
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posted June 14, 2006 10:47 AM
Hell No! The reason we buy big bore bikes to have that low end grunt.. Its sure not for the handling..
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dubious
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posted June 14, 2006 11:33 AM
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Hell No! The reason we buy big bore bikes to have that low end grunt.. Its sure not for the handling..
+1...Ditto!
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gtracing
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posted June 14, 2006 11:54 AM
I wouldn't want more than I have now with the secondary throttle plates removed... Stock, yes could use more
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S A Kruz
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posted June 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Maybe KHI should look at these poll numbers!
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navigator
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posted June 14, 2006 01:08 PM
Do you suppose they will be impressed by all 9 votes?
1 satisfied
5 not satisfied
3 WGAF
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shawnski
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posted June 14, 2006 01:57 PM
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I wouldn't want more than I have now with the secondary throttle plates removed... Stock, yes could use more
have you seen any changes in gas mileage since you have removed the valves?
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FasterThanStink
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posted June 14, 2006 02:10 PM
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Do you suppose they will be impressed by all 9 votes?
1 satisfied
5 not satisfied
3 WGAF
Yes. They will change the 07's based on all 9 of our responses.  
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zxbob
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posted June 14, 2006 02:21 PM
quote:
quote:
Do you suppose they will be impressed by all 9 votes?
1 satisfied
5 not satisfied
3 WGAF
Yes. They will change the 07's based on all 9 of our responses.
10 ........
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zx1kr
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posted June 14, 2006 04:37 PM
Yes. They will change the 07's based on all 9 of our responses.
NOT!!!!!
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TJ
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posted June 14, 2006 05:22 PM
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Maybe KHI should look at these poll numbers!
This is too funny. I don't think anyone really believes Kawasaki just designs these bikes and slaps them together without doing any market research...
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dubious
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posted June 14, 2006 06:59 PM
probably doo, then the lawyers get involved!
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socal zx-14 rider
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posted June 14, 2006 09:02 PM
It's up to 18 votes now. 2 are happy, 12 want more power and 4 have no opinion so they voted.......why? I can't believe the torque under 4000 rpm is so weak. All the adds by Kawasaki say " so much linear power you can start off in any gear" Ahh, not on my 14 at least without slipping the clutch way too much. Don't get me wrong I love this bike but if Kawi did something to de-tune it so people that can't handle the power it naturally should have like it more, that was just wrong. Let those people buy something else. This bike is supposed to be the Busa beater, the most powerful production bike Kawi has ever produced. Why neuter it? Just costs the rest of us more money to get back something that should have been there in the first place.
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dubious
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posted June 14, 2006 09:42 PM
fuckin lawyers and politicians for ya!
Get yer hands off my bike... and your hands outa my pockets !
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gtracing
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posted June 14, 2006 10:35 PM
I fealt the bike was fairly linear in "stock form" With the secondaries removed it feels more like a OH SHIT IM GOING WAY TO FKIN FAST switch...
Also, it doesn't cost anything but a little time to those that would like to remove them... And kawi still keeps the lawyers happy. I personally am happy I was able to do a free mod that made such a significant diff. There were a lot of small "free" mods on the 12r, but nothing like this. I love messing with my toys.... And "just" riding wouldn't fufill my needs in a toy..
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dubious
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posted June 15, 2006 02:02 AM
quote:
I fealt the bike was fairly linear in "stock form" With the secondaries removed it feels more like a OH SHIT IM GOING WAY TO FKIN FAST switch...
Also, it doesn't cost anything but a little time to those that would like to remove them... And kawi still keeps the lawyers happy. I personally am happy I was able to do a free mod that made such a significant diff. There were a lot of small "free" mods on the 12r, but nothing like this. I love messing with my toys.... And "just" riding wouldn't fufill my needs in a toy..
I have to have to agree with you there.
It doesn't feel like its MINE unless I have wrenched on it!
..and since thats all it took was the intake mod and new cans... Its still a steal of a deal.
I like my smeg though. It will stay!
Not one sumbitch has cut me off since I put it on!
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S A Kruz
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posted June 15, 2006 04:27 AM
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Do you suppose they will be impressed by all 9 votes?
Give it a little time navigator. As of this morning when I checked there were 20 votes in and 13 of them voted they were dissatisfied with low end power delivery. Thats 65%. If our president had a 65% disapproval rating we'd sack his a*s. I don't have any idea if the responders on this forum accurately represent the opinion of ZX14 owners at large but if they do than KHI would do well to listen to the folks that anty up the cash for their bikes. Just my .02 worth.
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navigator
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posted June 15, 2006 04:54 AM
I got my bike 3 weeks ago and the serial number is around 4200. That means that with your 20 votes you are represented by .01% of the owners. So 65% dissatisfaction by .01% of the owners. Is that a number that you would take seriously?
Not trying to rag on you here, but KHI has been doing this shit for a long time. Do you really have the credentials to second guess their business, marketing and design strategies?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 15, 2006 05:11 AM
Many people here want the low power issue addressed; no one is second guessing KHI...and it can be fixed easily too...even by the rider.
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navigator
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posted June 15, 2006 05:23 AM
I will agree with 2 out of 3.
Some people are second guessing KHI, but without an understanding of how and why decisions are made by billion dollar corporations with very deep pockets.
Many people (including me) want the power issue addressed and based on what I have read on this very forum it will probably be an easy and inexpensive fix. It will also have to be addressed at our level, not at the factory.
BUT, if anyone really thinks that KHI is going to do some type of recall to solve this huge consumer issue, they are very wrong. Maybe the will follow in the steps of Yamaha and give us a big ol' apology and offer to take the bike back from the disappointed few. I doubt it.
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S A Kruz
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posted June 15, 2006 06:37 AM
 Edited By: S A Kruz on 15 Jun 2006 07:39
quote:
I will agree with 2 out of 3.
Some people are second guessing KHI, but without an understanding of how and why decisions are made by billion dollar corporations with very deep pockets.
Many people (including me) want the power issue addressed and based on what I have read on this very forum it will probably be an easy and inexpensive fix. It will also have to be addressed at our level, not at the factory.
BUT, if anyone really thinks that KHI is going to do some type of recall to solve this huge consumer issue, they are very wrong. Maybe the will follow in the steps of Yamaha and give us a big ol' apology and offer to take the bike back from the disappointed few. I doubt it.
Any poll has error built into it and of course the larger the sample size the more accurate the data will be. I don't know how representative the rider cross section is on this forum compared to all the ZX14 owners but if it is even close, 65% unhappy with some aspect of your product should make you pay attention. Will KHI address the issue? No, most likely not unless they see it in their best interest to do so. Will they issue a recall? Absolutely not, it's not a safety issue. This poll was for information purposes only and general discussion since this low end power issue seems to be a hot topic of discussion on all the ZX14 forums.
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navigator
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posted June 15, 2006 07:16 AM
Here is something for you to think about. Kawasaki has covered their ass as much as they can by designing in a reduced power safety feature. Supposedly.
Shortly after release of the bike the consumers have already found a way to rid themselves of this problem and now the bike will be as fast as the buying public thinks it should be. Word of this will travel and everyone will want a ZX-14.
So, do you think KHI doesn't have the technology to design and install a system that we couldn't afford to defeat?
Where do you think the idea to remove the secondary butterflies originated?
Do you know who you are communicating with each time you get on the internet?
Who is Navigator?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 15, 2006 07:26 AM
The idea, I believe originated here on Bikeland .org. I believe it was GTRAcing that 1st clued us into it and had done the removal himself...I did the next one...then others followed...
That's the power of the Internet!!! -- come to Bikeland.org, bastardize your bike, be happy!! :P
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ninerrider01
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posted June 15, 2006 07:31 AM
If it's true that you guys found a relatively easy way to get a huge boost in torque from stock, then I think KHI played their cards perfectly. They can make sales to commuters and sport-tourers who read the magazine reviews about how manageable the bike is around town, but also KHI can make sales to you torque mongers since word of mods like this will spread widely among those interested. Seems like a win-win for them to leave it alone!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted June 15, 2006 07:37 AM
It was designed this way IMO...they get the best of both worlds. They just couldn't be the ones to release the information to the general public...the only thing we don't yet know with 100% certainty yet, is if the engine is running any leaner with the plates removed...some say yes,some say no...jury's still out on that one...few more weeks we'll all know for sure though.
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