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posted May 31, 2006 08:08 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 31 May 2006 21:15
Engine sounds ..please read.. Thanks..
This is an up date on the knocking sound that i reported about a few weeks back .. I was able to probe around the motor and found the knocking sound to be coming from the block.. I probed at the back of the motor right in the center of the Jugs right where the pistons ride .. I can clearly hear a piston rattle , either the piston has to much clearance or a cracked skirt.... I bring this back up because a zx14 owner on another site is hearing the same sound on his zx14 with 500 miles on his bike ... One owner besides myself on this site is also hearing the same sound.....
Be aware of the sounds your zx14 because if there are 3 owners with this sound i'm sure there will be more bikes doing them same ..If you are hearing this sound make sure to let mother Kawi know about it ASAP ...It is possible on a new model like the zx14 to have some problems , clearance or possible bad batch of pistons or pins ...Just as the first 2 years of the Busa with cam chain adjustors (two recalls) causing bent valves and other damage .. A piston slap or cracked piston skirt will not cause a lot of damage as would a cam chain Adjustor going bad but could cause a scored wall and oil useage ... The sooner mother Kawi knows of this problem the faster we will get a fix if one is needed.... This is just something to be aware of ,not all of the bikes will have this sound or problem.... But if you do please post it and tell Kawi ASAP ... Thanks Smokin ....
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smokinZX14
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posted May 31, 2006 08:20 PM
P/S this is a copy of the other zx14 owners report .......
I got my 14 acouple weeks ago. Man it's a beautiful piece of hardware. Any how it's developed a knock in the lower rpm ranges 2500 to 3500. It sounds great when it's cold. After the crankcase gets some heat in it, it starts to knock and the hotter the engine is the louder the knock. It seems to be getting progressively worse. Now with only 500 miles on it I would think a dealer would want to find out what the problem is. I took it back and they said get it to the 600 mile service then they'll take a look. I told them their thinking is not right since there should be absolutly no noises of this type coming from such a sophisticated piece of hardware. I also ordered and recieved the factory service manuel for this (I am a master tech). Any body out there here of this situation? Looking at the service manuel it seems possibly that the counter balance shafts may have a problem but I don't know how serious it is. I don't want to ride it much until this is resolved. The morons at the dealer are clueless and of no help at all. It feels like the thing is slowly going into self destruct mode. I asked to talk to a Kawasaki technician on the consumer hot line and got a guy that said take it to another dealer. These people have got there head up their ass and can't see the sun shine. They design and build an absolutly astounding piece of hardware and have absolutly no follow up for tech support. They need a lesson from BMW cars (I fix these all day long). Hows the service in your area? How about a phone number to a kawasaki rep anybody? I'll fix the thing myself if they supply the parts. It's time to go out and experience some serious lean angle.
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posted May 31, 2006 08:33 PM
Ok I called Kawasaki about a few problems I have had and they sent
me this Kawasaki's owners form letter to fill out. I let them have it about
a few problems that could get someone killed I am waiting for thier responce.
I called Kawasaki Motors Corp. U.S.A. In Santa Ana CA the number is right on
the letter they sent you 1-800-357-8540 I had to dig the letter out so you
better tell me wtf happends I dont want to sieze at 170 like I was doing yesterday
lol. But seriously please let me know at chrisleemiles@hotmail.com and I will
show you copies of their anwsers to me ok.
Thanks Chris
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posted May 31, 2006 11:08 PM
Edited By: ZREXER on 1 Jun 2006 01:19
Mine sounds 100% with just over 600 miles, but if there is an engine problem like faulty pistons, the only fix that would be even remotely acceptable to me would be a new crate motor. I would not trust most of the dealership mechanics to do an oil change much less a motor rebuild.
For those that feel you have 'bad things' going on in your engine, have you done much hard running yet on the bike? A modern bike engine should be capable of being bounced off the rev limiter all day long with no ill effects at all, so I don't say this as a critcism of how you may have been running your bikes.
At 600 miles I've been up to around 8000 rpm's, but it has not been red lined.....................yet!
In any case, put lots of miles on your bikes this year (as if you didn't want to!) to make sure any 'lurking' problems show up while your warranty is valid. Depending how this issue develops, maybe an extended warranty might not be a bad investment (usually never get extended warranties though)......... as I view them as a 'cash cow' for the manufacturer.
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posted May 31, 2006 11:15 PM
the limiter is at 11,400
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posted June 01, 2006 04:42 AM
I have a little over 5400 miles on my ZX and I've not heard any sounds other than maybe louder than I expected FI, but this has been like that from day 1. I thought I heard something like cam chain slap at about 1700 miles but ever since I changed out the oil to Synthetic I've not heard it since. I'm finding this engine is almost fully broken in and I have heard nothing of what you all have described, but I'll keep an ear open.
Zrexer : Ditto your thoughts on Dealership shops.
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smokinZX14
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posted June 01, 2006 04:55 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 1 Jun 2006 06:15
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Mine sounds 100% with just over 600 miles, but if there is an engine problem like faulty pistons, the only fix that would be even remotely acceptable to me would be a new crate motor. I would not trust most of the dealership mechanics to do an oil change much less a motor rebuild.
For those that feel you have 'bad things' going on in your engine, have you done much hard running yet on the bike? A modern bike engine should be capable of being bounced off the rev limiter all day long with no ill effects at all, so I don't say this as a critcism of how you may have been running your bikes.
At 600 miles I've been up to around 8000 rpm's, but it has not been red lined.....................yet!
In any case, put lots of miles on your bikes this year (as if you didn't want to!) to make sure any 'lurking' problems show up while your warranty is valid. Depending how this issue develops, maybe an extended warranty might not be a bad investment (usually never get extended warranties though)......... as I view them as a 'cash cow' for the manufacturer.
I have run mine harder than some and easier than some others. The sound was there from new , the dealer heard it from day one test drive .So i don't feel i did any Damage to the bike .I didn't hear it till around 300 miles ..
I'm with you i don't want the dealer to do a rebuild, Hell i paid for a new bike and i would like it to be new and not rebuilt .. But that is not what is going to happen, the Dealer said they don't replace motors mother Kawi sends the parts to repair it and that's all you get...
Don't take me wrong here ...I love this bike and the sound i'm hearing me be a normal state for this new engine. I'm not upset over this, I understand that new models could have some problem on first release...My 99 Busa sounded like a trash truck and that turned out to be normal for the Hayabusa.. I don't put a lot of miles on my bike in a years time , 1500 miles a year is about what i avg... So my warrante may go out before the engine does.. Thats why i asked for input from other zx14 owners ... Smokin.....
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posted June 01, 2006 10:10 AM
I have 530 miles on mine and no noise...............
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posted June 01, 2006 10:16 AM
Hey did you guys look at the cylinder and cases before you baught the bike..............their one piece ///////////// Big ducks to make anything more than what it is............Bet the 07busa will have 2piece cylinders and cases,,,,,,,,,,,,soo spray away at the kumasaki........the stock 07 busa will be flyin by.........Just think
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posted June 01, 2006 10:23 AM
Gary, yer startin' shit on the wrong board...just a polite warning before you get yer ass kicked in here...we don't take kindly to Busa asswipes. Oh -- by the way, a spelling 101 course might help ya read and write better...  
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posted June 01, 2006 10:26 AM
bahhhhhahahahah 
Ya you wait fore he 07 busa.
I'll ride my 06- 14!
Maybe a 08 busa, but no 07!
Ya could run down the street making engine noises fur now
LOL
BTW if it does crater take it to a dealer you will trust....
The gated yard behind my dealer has bikes old and new parked out there in the elements and dust with garbage bags pulled over the crankcases while waiting for top end parts!...
DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
DOOOHHH....N"T think so!
Not mine! NEVER..
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posted June 01, 2006 10:44 AM
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..........Bet the 07busa will have 2piece cylinders and cases,,,,,,,,,,,
That's right Gary, marvel at the engineering. The other factories will have to build bore-able cylinders so you guys can shovel in all those hot rod part$ just to say up with a stock 14.
(Gary pissed me off only because I blew a bowl load... laughing at what he said)
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posted June 01, 2006 11:00 AM
1,600 miles and I've had a clicking/tapping/knocking noise for most of that. I've been assuming that it's caused by a solid-mount fuel rail with a cheap damper. I can hear it at lower rpm's, but it never gets louder, just clicks faster.
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posted June 01, 2006 11:25 AM
quote:
Hey did you guys look at the cylinder and cases before you baught the bike..............their one piece ///////////// Big ducks to make anything more than what it is............Bet the 07busa will have 2piece cylinders and cases,,,,,,,,,,,,soo spray away at the kumasaki........the stock 07 busa will be flyin by.........Just think
First off use spell check ....Second.. No new Busa for 07.... Third....Just go away moron....
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posted June 01, 2006 06:00 PM
I bet the new busa will be a similar style engine.........then what?
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smokinZX14
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posted June 01, 2006 06:39 PM
quote:
I bet the new busa will be a similar style engine.........then what?
I bet you are right ...Thats the only way to reduce weight and casting cost ....
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posted June 17, 2006 11:35 AM
I just started hearing this sound as well. I can't really hear it until the bike warms up. It gets a little louder, the longer I ride. Not too much of an issue, but it annoys the crap out of me, it seems to be the only thing I notice and with such a wiked bike, I want to hear sweetness, not knocking.
What is the word with the dealer? Will they look into it, or are they refusing to admit it is a problem?
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posted June 17, 2006 11:45 AM
I actually heard a knocking sound one day when mine was cold at low revs, but it went away after it warmed up and I haven't heard it since. My bike has only 425 miles on it, but it seems to be fine now...
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posted June 17, 2006 11:48 AM
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I just started hearing this sound as well. I can't really hear it until the bike warms up. It gets a little louder, the longer I ride. Not too much of an issue, but it annoys the crap out of me, it seems to be the only thing I notice and with such a wiked bike, I want to hear sweetness, not knocking.
What is the word with the dealer? Will they look into it, or are they refusing to admit it is a problem?
No word form the dealer other than ride it and see what happens ...
See the other thread on this ... Others are hearing the same sound ... One member said it's the ballance shafts and that he adjusted them and the sound is gone ....I just want to know how to adjust them ????Anyone know ????
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posted June 17, 2006 01:18 PM
That noise has got me a little squirley so I pulled off the covers and got out the stethoscope while she was still hot. I was able to discern the noise as not being the one from the injector rail...the rail is loud but definitley much higher pitch and more rapid. Other folks had suggested listening to the suction valve but I couldn't hear anything in the vicinity except for what sounded like a solenoid clicking only once as the rev's rose. I can definitely hear the knocking sound if I place the stethoscope in the center of the clutch cover and can also hear it from most places around the cam chain cover. I can also hear it slightly from the very bottom of the block but not very prominently. My old Kawi zg1000 made a similar knock when she was cold, it was cam chain slap and went away when the bike warmed up. I put a manually adjustable tensioner on it anyway ( because I'm so bloody touchy about sounds) and it went away. But this noise doesn't start until she is warm and is clear between 2000 to approx 2800 rpm. I don't know much about counter balancers but assume that they are gear driven from the crank....I wonder if it is the balncers if the sound is resonatong through the crank to things nearby such as the clutch or or cam chain drive sprocket?? Anyway just speculating....like to hear some theories and better yet some remedies thx folks
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posted June 17, 2006 03:34 PM
Edited By: dozerdogue on 17 Jun 2006 16:35
All this talk of engine knock had me worried so much I went out and warmed my bike up and listened. I Didn't here anything luckily. Hopefully it's not something serious. I hope kawasaki did there homework with this bike and we all don't start having problems. I also only have 600 miles. I'm curious to know what it is also.
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posted June 17, 2006 07:35 PM
I just did a 500+ mile run today. Bike ran perfect. I rode it in 105 degree temps. The bike likes to run at 85+ to keep the heat bar half way. i averaged 37 mpg. I was real comfortable all day till the last 20 miles. Real happy with the bike.................
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posted June 17, 2006 07:45 PM
Guys....If I had to lay money on the source of the noise, I'd lay it on the cam chain tensioner being the source of the problem more than I would a piston problem.
I haven't heard this particular noise you're describing so I can't be 100% certain...BUT what I do know for a fact is that cam chain tensioners backing off can cause a knocking noise that is very unsettling. There has been problems with automatic cam chain tensioners for many years in all kinds of bikes.
The 14 has a new Oil Pressured Tensioner. It may not be working properly. I don't blame any of you for not wanting dealership mechanics anywhere near your new bike either. Were it me, I'd email or call Muzzy or RG and try to get an answer. Dealerships are a crap shoot whe it comes to diagnostics and service.
As for the tensioner, it can cause a pretty severe knocking noise from the chain when it backs off. It can sound like a very loose valve or a rod going south on you. Also, noise travels pretty well through aluminum so isolating it can be perplexing. You could use a screwdriver next to your ear and probe around the motor to try to isolate the noise. There are stethascope tools available at auto parts stores for this purpose as well.
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posted June 17, 2006 08:03 PM
Thx larryc, I,m partial to your hunch as most of the knock seems prominent arount the cam chain cover. I wonder if the ratchet will click a notch or if I need to e-mail A.P.E. and see if they have a manual tensioner unit to fit this bike...I'll check it out
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posted June 17, 2006 09:21 PM
Sorry but I have to say something about this post. The last bike I owned was a Honda 1800 VTX and someone posted a thread about fouling plugs and before you knew it everyone was crying wolf. The plugs do run dirty but that was the nature of the beast. If you tried to sell a VTX you couldn't because everyone knew they fouled plugs. Most of the people who were having trouble had no idea what a fouled plug was. There is a difference between a dirty plug and a fouled plug as any two stroke rider can tell you. If there is a problem we will hear about it but for now let's be real. No one has had a problem. Go out and ride. Some of you are working yourself into lather for no reason.
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