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posted May 20, 2006 08:09 PM
OOPS, I screwed that up and couldn't edit it because of Tostito . . .
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TJ
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posted May 20, 2006 08:35 PM
Terminal velocity principles only apply to free falling objects.
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Stalwart
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posted May 20, 2006 09:18 PM
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Terminal velocity principles only apply to free falling objects.
Yes, and your point was?
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dubious
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posted May 20, 2006 09:33 PM
LOL... 
is it free falling when it hits the curtains the same as the floor?
heh heh 
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 21, 2006 01:22 AM
Dubious is right...we need another clown to poke fun at...and ya Lyle...I rermember 4300...the Busa is King guy...he was the guy that started writing like 50+ useles posts just before his demise
So....I think Dorito and TonyTurdFace are the same guy...LOL
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frEEk
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posted May 21, 2006 12:58 PM
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I can't imagine that a 7000LB 150HP Hayabusa would do 186...
why not?
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TJ
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posted May 21, 2006 02:18 PM
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I can't imagine that a 7000LB 150HP Hayabusa would do 186...
why not?
This may be technically possible but I would imagine it would take tens of miles to get up to that speed. Enough distance where it would not be reasonable to ever actually see that speed.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted May 21, 2006 02:20 PM
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I can't imagine that a 7000LB 150HP Hayabusa would do 186...
why not?
Power to weight just ain't there is why not IMO...
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frEEk
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posted May 21, 2006 11:19 PM
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I can't imagine that a 7000LB 150HP Hayabusa would do 186...
why not?
This may be technically possible but I would imagine it would take tens of miles to get up to that speed. Enough distance where it would not be reasonable to ever actually see that speed.
well if you're not talking technical, then you need to say so. of course, none of these bikes are practically reasonable anyway so that's kind of a moot point.
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Power to weight just ain't there is why not IMO...
and what does power to weight have to do with top speed?
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frEEk
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posted May 21, 2006 11:24 PM
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Weight has no bearing on the terminal velocity during a free fall.
i also need to take exception with this statement. weight does make a difference in terminal velocity during freefall, if applied under certain circumstances, specifically if you add more weight without changing the size or shape of the object so as to increase drag. a lead sphere is gonna fall faster than a ping pong ball.
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posted May 21, 2006 11:31 PM
What about a 20lbs lead sphere vs. 200Lbs lead sphere?
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zxlnt
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posted May 22, 2006 02:28 AM
If the drag is exactly the same on each, both will fall at the same rate of accelleration, namely 1G.
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zxlnt
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posted May 22, 2006 02:37 AM
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Weight has no bearing on the terminal velocity during a free fall.
i also need to take exception with this statement. weight does make a difference in terminal velocity during freefall, if applied under certain circumstances, specifically if you add more weight without changing the size or shape of the object so as to increase drag. a lead sphere is gonna fall faster than a ping pong ball.
Weight doesn't matter. You can drop a feather and a bowling ball in a perfect vacuum and both will fall at the same rate of 1G accelleration. Only air resistance is going to have an effect. But yea a ping pong ball doesn't have enough mass to overcome the air resistance compared to a lead sphere of the same dimensions. In a vacuum though, weight, mass and dimension don't matter.
I think we are saying the same thing....
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posted May 22, 2006 06:46 AM
When it comes to moving a motorcycle (across land), weight does matter. Even if weight does not affect top speed, it will affect acceleration enough where top speed may not be reasonably acheived.
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frEEk
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posted May 22, 2006 09:25 AM
ok, but like i said, there's a big difference between an absolute statement that weight affects top speed and "it will affect acceleration enough where top speed may not be reasonably acheived". i just have a bit of a pet peeve about statements that silently assume so many conditions, that less educated people will take for gospel and spread.
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posted May 22, 2006 09:52 AM
Hmmm
How much does a Boeing 747 weigh?
I was always taught that top speed relied on aerodynamics, get too good at it and things start to leave the ground!!
Now acceleration i think that is a little more WEIGHT related
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zxlnt
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posted May 22, 2006 03:11 PM
Acelleration by engine power or accelleration by gravity??. Gravity affects all objects the same. Weight doesn't have an effect on gravitational accelleration.
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dubious
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posted May 22, 2006 03:22 PM
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When it comes to moving a motorcycle (across land), weight does matter. Even if weight does not affect top speed, it will affect acceleration enough where top speed may not be reasonably acheived.
And if there is not enough weight on the drive tire(s) to overcome the aerodynamic drag, tire spin becomes a factor.
Top speed is not nearly as affected by weight as acceleration is.... if you have the distance to allow it to accelerate to top speed.
this post is going in a big circle LOL.
round n round! LOL
anyway.....
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SanteeZX14
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posted May 31, 2006 11:59 AM
If I read the Muzzys site right the ultimate light system would be Ti/Carbon. I think I saw where the Carbon can is 3.5lbs and the Ti can is 4.5....
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Mano 2
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posted May 31, 2006 12:27 PM
5 pounds
When you think about weight saving 200.00 for the full Ti system will be the last cheap 4-5 pounds you ever lost.
Example: wheels 6-8 pounds, 1500-3000.00.
Ceramic rotors[3], 5 pounds 3000.00.
Ti bolt kit
Ti Axels
Carbon bodywork
All very expensive?
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