cdoojack
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posted May 15, 2006 04:19 AM
Hole in rear tire
I am the owner of a Zx14 since April 25th. After putting 1005 miles on the bike and second oil change, I notice a 1 1/2 inch screw right in the middle of my rear tire. This is first hole in a tire of all the bikes I've owned. I plugged the tire and it is holding and looks okay. Does anyone out you have any experience with plugging a rear tire and riding on it? I am a little sceptical about riding with a plug, however a little input would be appreciated. Great forum here and a lot of good infromation I have gathered over the months. Thanks.
  
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Reaper
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posted May 15, 2006 04:50 AM
I've plugged a few bike tyres and never had a problem with them, Was it a mushroom plug patched from the inside of the tyre or was it just a rubber stick type plug. The mushroom plugs are stronger but I've never had a problem with either.
I would advise however not doing any balistic type speeds or drag racing with it. Always better to change the tyre if you are going to attempt land speed records =)
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posted May 15, 2006 05:09 AM
I've done as a temp fix only to get me down ths road. I'd keep it under 80mph. Buy a new tire ASAP.
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EASY
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posted May 15, 2006 05:48 AM
I agree totally with TM on this. I had a nasty experiance on a zx-11 with a plug. the break in the tire structure caused a total tire seperation. I, personally would not go over 60 and even better, not ride it until the new tire can be installed. Cost of new tire, not worth your life.
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posted May 15, 2006 05:51 AM
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I agree totally with TM on this. I had a nasty experiance on a zx-11 with a plug. the break in the tire structure caused a total tire seperation. I, personally would not go over 60 and even better, not ride it until the new tire can be installed. Cost of new tire, not worth your life.
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CrotchRocket
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posted May 15, 2006 06:11 AM
Ahhhhh, just plug it...I have riden with 3 plugs at one time on a new tire...
I had 50 miles on a new tire and picked up a screw, pluged it...The next week I picked up 2 in that weekend, then used the tire for 2500 miles!!!...After a while you could barely see where the plugs were...NO PROBLEMS
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bigbore4
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posted May 15, 2006 06:38 AM
I have never had a problem with a plug. I have run many tires to replacement time and never had a plug fail. As long as it's not on or near the sidewall, you should have no trouble.
I am speaking about rear tire plugs only. If I had to plug a front, it would only be to get it somewhere and replace it. The chance of failure is no more on the front than the rear, but if something does happen, I would rather it be on the rear.
I always care a plug kit on longer trips with a couple of cartidges too.
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serius blk
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posted May 15, 2006 06:39 AM
i agree i just got a nail in my 14s rear tire also. Happen the 2nd day I rode it . I put in the plug and now am close to 1000 miles. I did it plenty of times in the past and hadnt had a problem yet.
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BobC
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posted May 15, 2006 08:00 AM
 Edited By: BobC on 15 May 2006 09:02
Jack, your life's worth more than the value of a half worn tire. On a bike with this amount of power it's not a good idea to ride with a plug in, maybe as a get-you-home remedy but that's all.
Others will disagree but my advice is to change it as soon as possible.
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fish_antlers
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posted May 15, 2006 08:19 AM
Bob... we're about to test two different tire patch kits... We've (or I've  ) had personal experience with this... in fact got a flat on my 12R back in 2000 when it was new ... almost same mileage as yours.
Since then I carry a bicycle pump and set of tire patches (the old threaded kind)...
spotted two kits at Indy this year... one is by StopNGo ( [url=http://www.stopngo.com/plugger.asp] LINK TO PRODUCT [/ur] ... very cool little gadget.. looks like it's the easiest to use, plus kit is extremely small in size
and also spotted a kit by Slime... Slime's kit is a bit bigger but gives you a compressor which the other kit does not (other kit relies on C02 cartidges methinks) Link to Slime kit
either are good options but is space is a concern then StopnGo kit is the best bet ...
Mention Bikeland.org for either purchase if you buy one... might help ya out a bit.
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cdoojack
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posted May 15, 2006 10:31 AM
Thanks guys for all the input. As always good information and experiences here on this forum. After weighing all the information that has surfaced, I am going to buy a new tire tomorrow. Thanks again. Cdoojack
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zx61114
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posted May 15, 2006 11:06 AM
Cdoojack, I use the stop and go Plug kit carry it with me all the time. It's the mushroom type. I've ridden 10,000 miles on a tire with a plug. A couple of rules to NOTE.
1. Mushroom Plugs are perishable you will have to buy replacements every 2 years.
2. Either they hold or they don't. I plug the tire fill to 42 PSI then ride about 10 miles. Next morning if I have above 40 psi + I feel pretty confident that the plug is holding. Now I don't ride much over 100 so if you plan on playing with the 140-180 MPH area I'd suggest getting a new tire.
3 Don't fool yourself from rule number 2 if it does not hold 40 psi replug and check the next day. If it fails get a new tire.
4. I got a nail in Kentucky on a Sunday morning plugged it and was losing 3 psi a hour. You will know something is not right by the way your bike handles but there will be other things like the chain making rather strange noises. Made it home but it was not my finest hours of travel.
5. Finally check the plug from time to time I've had plugs hold air perfectly then loosen up and almost fall out. I suspect there may be another puncure but still a possible problem.
Hope this helps
Rob
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bigbore4
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posted May 15, 2006 11:16 AM
"5. Finally check the plug from time to time I've had plugs hold air perfectly then loosen up and almost fall out. I suspect there may be another puncure but still a possible problem."
Say again? In almost 30 years of riding I have never seen a plug "loosen up and almost fall out".
Unless someone drives a friggin railroad spike through their tire, a plug does not loosen up.
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Jim K
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posted May 15, 2006 05:45 PM
I agree with "Easy", don't put your life on the line for the price of a new tire!!!!
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TONYHUFFMAN
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posted May 15, 2006 06:13 PM
dont trust small bore. tires just might be the most critical part of your bike, plug it and get a new one immediatly. the rear tire takes alot of abuse especially with all of that torque. and i dont even want to mention power wheelies
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zx61114
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posted May 15, 2006 06:20 PM
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"5. Finally check the plug from time to time I've had plugs hold air perfectly then loosen up and almost fall out. I suspect there may be another puncure but still a possible problem."
Say again? In almost 30 years of riding I have never seen a plug "loosen up and almost fall out".
Unless someone drives a friggin railroad spike through their tire, a plug does not loosen up.
Big bore, It only happened once, I was riding over a parking lot of rocks/pebbles and appearently a sharp rock pushed the plug into the tire. I looked at it later and the plug was at like a 45 degree angle. A one time event maybe but it still happened and I just wanted to give everyone a heads up
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posted May 15, 2006 07:06 PM
I think that you will find more people who have plugged tires without any problem, than the few horror stories?
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posted May 15, 2006 07:54 PM
I plugged a tire on my 12, and rode it for at least 1k miles... Never had any problems(after reading this may think twice) I also saw tripple digit speeds with the plug, but not constant(really glad I got rid of that g/f). I would replace the tire.. but slow speeds you should be ok
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BobC
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posted May 15, 2006 11:54 PM
Edited By: BobC on 16 May 2006 07:24
quote:
Bob... we're about to test two different tire patch kits... We've (or I've ) had personal experience with this... in fact got a flat on my 12R back in 2000 when it was new ... almost same mileage as yours.
Since then I carry a bicycle pump and set of tire patches (the old threaded kind)...
I too have carried a kit when touring; the kind with a plug plus some vulcanising glue and a few small gas cylinders. I treat it as a get you home remedy only. Since I do sprint and drag on weekends I wouldn't contemplate leaving a plugged tire on the bike and it would fail scrutineering anyway.
I would be interested to hear what the makers of repair kits have to say. Bet it's something like "do not exceed 50mph"
I appreciate that other folk may have different views on the subject but this is mine.
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ninja12
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posted May 17, 2006 11:37 AM
If there is such thing as a good time, this is it.
I would finish my breakin (2k miles)with the plugged tire.
Then oil change new tire and redline all gears.
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