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posted May 09, 2006 03:59 PM
Laser/Radar
I've noticed in some photos that some of you are running Radar/Laser detectors. Obviously you don't live in Ontario.
The only way I can think of doing it here is a hidden system, however the price is outragous especially most Police here are using Laser.
AS for Laser, if a cop knows what he's doin, you're done... That said, other than Radarbusters.com, does any one have a Jammer, and if so does it actually work?
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posted May 09, 2006 04:13 PM
+1, yeah do they work?
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posted May 09, 2006 07:05 PM
I can personally attest to the effectiveness of the Escort 'Laser Shifter' product.
My 2003 Z06 Corvette is equipped with the Escort SR7 Radar Detector, with the ZR3 shifter. Washington State Patrol uses laser almost exclusively, and I have detected them numerous times well outside of their detection range, slowing down from *ahem* speeds, down to sublegal. I'd watch him aim and shoot the lidar three or four times while looking at me.
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posted May 09, 2006 07:24 PM
Escort. 
I don't leave home without it.
That little box has saved my ass so many times I couldn't count 'em.
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posted May 09, 2006 07:26 PM
Yah, I don't need the radar protection that much in WA, but when I slip over into OR or ID,it sure comes in handy. Fucking OR state po-po's running X band crap out in the middle of nowhere, like 20 miles past Burns on the way to Ontario...
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posted May 09, 2006 07:28 PM
A 'real' jammer is legal and actually works. As long as you fly jets for your military.
I have a cheapo detector-jammer, I bought for the detection.
I also have a hand-held radar gun (that reads to 200 MPH) I've tested the jammer with it and it did not seem to jam-scramble?
Most guys $$wear by the V1.
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posted May 09, 2006 08:00 PM
yeah I have the escort passport and it detects well, but was wonderin if the jammers worked at all.
If your the only person on the road and the police pulse on you ....yur done, unless it can be jammed till you slow down.
Thats why I was wonderin about the jammer.
I usually only ride at high speed when there is no traffic... I don't trust the cagers!
If there is no one in front of you... yur caught ... the detector only warns you yur gettin a ticket.
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posted May 10, 2006 02:49 AM
Jammer is just for laser - doesn't do shit about instant on radar.
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posted May 10, 2006 03:47 AM
I can attest to the fact that if a guy with Radar knows his effective range then you will only detect that you are about to get a ticket unless you pick up an occasional pulse from someone ahead of you being hit.
Usually radr detectors are great for "Lazy" cops that just keep it on, or the two way moving units that are in cars pointing forward and backwards.
Laser is tough to lock on to a bike, especially with the new Projector type headlights (Less reflective surface).
In Ontario any form of detector (Radar/Laser) is illegal, not just to operate like in Virginia, but just to "convey" on the roadway.
Radar Jammers are illegal as they technically require a Transmitter licence, however there is absolutly NO legislation regarding Laser Jammers/Scramblers/Disrupters.
This is why I want to know how well they work.
http://www.radarbusters.com/support/stealth-street-bike/default.asp
http://www.radarbusters.com/products/motorcycle-radar-detectors/blinder.asp
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posted May 10, 2006 04:30 AM
V1. No jammer yet, but they do use A LOT of Lidar around here, so I've thought about it for the cage. I also run pretty stealthy - no front plate on the cars, even though it's the law around here. Anything to reduce the damn Lidar range...
Motorcycles aren't a huge risk with lidar... tiny target with minimal-to-no reflective surfaces on the front, plus I always run high beams when riding by myself or on highways, and that hurts the Lidar range as well.
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posted May 10, 2006 05:29 AM
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A big bone of contention here (UK). It appears that the radar speed detector they use has never been tested on motorcycles, either by the maker or the Home Office. Some in-service testing has been done by various police forces, in most case the results were not recorded or "lost" it seems. At any rate no test data is available.
MCN are lobbying on behalf of the motorcyclists and have lots of evidence to support the claim that radar detection simply does not work on a bike because there is usually no flat forward-facing surface. The beam is deflected and reflected causing very dubious readings. Some cases have already been thrown out of court when the right questions have been asked. The government are, of course, just waffling and being obstructive, so the jury's out at the moment.
Meanwhile lots of car drivers and bike riders are using the GPS devices to warn of fixed camera locations. Radar detectors are no longer legitimately sold.
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posted May 10, 2006 08:35 AM
I can assure you that Bikes DO show up on Radar. Yes they have a much smaller reflective surface, but X and K / Ka band can pick up a baseball.
The older bikes with large headlights basically have Radar reflectors on them.
And as for High beams reducing Lidar... Sorry, different wave length of Light.
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posted May 10, 2006 09:22 AM
I remember years ago, an officer running in the ditch with the radar gun in hand and battery pack on his hip trying to lock on a #. It was pretty funny.
Yup, the smaller surface definately creates an issue for them !
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posted May 11, 2006 12:06 AM
quote:
I can assure you that Bikes DO show up on Radar. Yes they have a much smaller reflective surface, but X and K / Ka band can pick up a baseball.
The older bikes with large headlights basically have Radar reflectors on them.
And as for High beams reducing Lidar... Sorry, different wave length of Light.
The tests done here in the UK by Motorcycle News and also our local TV station (this is not just my opinion) indicate that the radar has to be mounted on a tripod, not hand held, just to get a reliable reading on a car. Using the radar gun to get a reliable reading when hand-held is almost impossible. They have got readings off bikes, which were being ridden past at 30mph, of 59mph and brick walls doing 20mph.
Our fixed speed cameras, which are triggered by radar, are no better. They have been shown to be inaccurate for motorcycles when speed has been later calculated from the two pictures taken. The speed camera partnerships have been sending out speeding fines without checking the picture evidence first. When this evidence is later produced in court it has resulted in lots of cases being thrown out. The advice from MCN is to request the photo's and don't simply pay up if you receive a letter. As for hand-held radar they have successfully challenged the veracity of the evidence by asking for proof that the equipment has been tested for use on motorcycles.
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posted May 11, 2006 05:27 AM
Edited By: zerMATT on 11 May 2006 06:31
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And as for High beams reducing Lidar... Sorry, different wave length of Light.
No disagreement on the different wavelength argument. Car & Driver did a lidar test several years ago trying out several things on cars to recuce their reflectivity. Mostly stuff like covering headlights, chrome bits, etc, and it all reduced the range of the Lidar gun. They also did tests that showed that running headlights on high beam slightly reduced the range. Yes, laser is a very specific wavelength, but headlights put out light on a very broad spectrum, so it helps to confuse the laser gun. Not a *bunch*, but every little bit helps. If I recall correctly (it was about 8-10 years ago), it helped a couple of hundred feet or so.
I'll also weigh in on those folks who say that a laser detector isn't helpful, it is. Especially if you drive a vehicle with a low light reflective signature like a motorcycle, or something with pop-up headlights and no front license plate. The cops around here are used to their laser gun getting a reading at a fairly long range because most everything they shoot (in Texas) has a front plate and probably some chrome too. If you don't have those items, they'll often shoot you from a great distance (1,500-2,000 feet), not get a reading, then try several more times as you get closer. I frequently get hit with a laser shot from far enough away, then have plenty of time to slow to a "reasonable" speed (20mph less or so) before they even take their 2nd shot. This has happened to me several times, and I know they weren't waiting for a "confirmation" reading
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