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posted April 07, 2006 11:22 AM
Guys, apples and oranges....
The ZX-14 isn't tuned or touched AT ALL and has ZERO miles.... all of our Busa's at least have a map and decent motor oil and are broken in. Our ZX-10 picked up 10 HP after 1000 miles with no other changes.
When the smoke clears, Busa's will be also-rans. I know, we are working on a new drop-in top end kit (Higher compression pistons and cams) to keep them in the hunt until the "new" Busa arrives.
Check my posts on the other thread.
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posted April 07, 2006 11:25 AM
When was the last time anyone rode around in 4th gear at 1500 rpm at WIDE OPEN throttle?!
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LMN454
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posted April 07, 2006 02:15 PM
To me, with a bone stock, not broke in bike, the #'s rock!
Add that to how kick a$$ this sucker looks,
Im sold, no question, Im getting it!!
WooT, Cant wait!!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted April 07, 2006 02:23 PM
Supra...the 14 makes sick power at the limiter with a pipe too; 25RWHP over stock before break in...wtf are ya whining about? The charts show a 40% or higher gain on RWTQ over the 12....wtf is your problem? This thing outpulls Busa's and anything else you can find...go back and reread the graphs. No fucking way your beloved stock 12 will outpull the stock 14 and once you add a full system...the 12 won't even be visble in the mirrors...how can you even compare this to a 12? Kawa has done a great job on this bike...not to mention that any day of the week....it'll eat the Busa in the corners.
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CrazyKenny
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posted April 07, 2006 03:54 PM
Keep in mind that some exhaust manufactures intentionaly post abnormaly low stock numbers to make there exhaust look better than the next guys. I was personaly on the phone this week with Ryan Schnitz and he told me that the average numbers coming out of a BONE STOCK ZX 14 was between 170 and 175 RWHP. So I would have to argue the idea of even listing the HP #'s of a motor with no break in other than to make your exhaust system look like a bigger gain than the next guy.
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posted April 07, 2006 05:07 PM
Okay dude just to put things into perspective. The zx11 was the first bike to crack 130hp on the dyno. Then the zx12r betters that by 30 horsepower. Then the 14 comes around and betters the 12r by 8 horsepower. Im putting this into 16 years of perspective. Y2K is right Suzuki is pushing the market, and not kawi like I think we should be....
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posted April 07, 2006 06:39 PM
Crap...2007 Busa is where now? I see ZX14's, but no fucking Busa in sight Supra...right now, the ZX14is the NEW king of the hill...because the 06 Busa is the same as the 99. Clearly, the new Busa is rumor only at this point...so how can you say that Suz is driving the market? Tell me...who as of now has the faster ride...Suz or Kaw?
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supra5677
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posted April 07, 2006 07:55 PM
what I'm saying is that the zx11 was totally destroyed by the hayabusa. When the 12r came it there is evidence to suggest that is was detuned by 8 horsepower. The 12r was perhaps a tick slower in the quarter mile and test have shown a little faster on the top end.(even though the Mach 3 video makes the busa look lame) If your going to set new standards you have to kill the leading bike imho bike 20 horsepower not 8...!!!
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posted April 07, 2006 10:54 PM
Its not just about brute power ..but how its delivered
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pmkin10r
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posted April 07, 2006 11:27 PM
In my opinion supras argument holds significant water in the broader marketplace. When the ZX-11 came out there was no argument as to the king of the straights. When the Hayabusa came out nobody was arguing about what the baddest mofo motorcycle was. (even to those who claim it's 194mph journo speed was not broadly representative, even 184 would have ripped the 11 & Blackbird a new asshole). Along comes the 12R and at best it's even with the Busa, and Kawi knew the numbers they were up against, and to Kawi glue sniffers; if your the challenger you got to decisively beat the champ. Not arguing the 14's functional supperiority over the Busa or 12, just doesn't appear to be the ZX-11 or Hayabusa of it's day.
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posted April 07, 2006 11:41 PM
Nice figures. I'd rather leave the gearing at the standard 17/42 and have 203mph at 11000rpm.
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posted April 08, 2006 02:05 AM
 Edited By: speedgene on 8 Apr 2006 03:12
Is this going to be another z12 vs.13Bu head banging bike?
Welcome to z14 vs.15Bu for another how many more years?
My money is on the little Cow, I mean, Kaw crapping all over whatever Busa they come out with.
Dub's 16/43 combo looks good for street work dodging cagers.
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posted April 08, 2006 02:13 AM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Apr 2006 03:16
I want to drag race it occaisionally, (Track is 170Miles away)
Street ride and basically embarass people.
by the time it reaches 185 mph the point will have been proven!
better roll ons.
less clutch slipping = longer clutch life too.
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posted April 08, 2006 12:22 PM
pmkin10r sees my point.. Kawsaki hasn't been the undisputed king since 1998 when the black bird came out. If your going to be the king you HAVE to abosolutely blow the current best out of the water. With 1352cc all Kawi can do is come up with 170 hp and and 100 plus torque. Kawi tunes there liter bikes to the gills and squeezes as much power and torque out of them. Then they get to the big bore bikes and get scared. ok I'm through with this thread....
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posted April 08, 2006 12:53 PM
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pmkin10r sees my point.. Kawsaki hasn't been the undisputed king since 1998 when the black bird came out. If your going to be the king you HAVE to abosolutely blow the current best out of the water. With 1352cc all Kawi can do is come up with 170 hp and and 100 plus torque. Kawi tunes there liter bikes to the gills and squeezes as much power and torque out of them. Then they get to the big bore bikes and get scared. ok I'm through with this thread....
good.... cause we are tired of listening to you whine........
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posted April 08, 2006 12:56 PM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Apr 2006 13:58
LOL
I feel your pain bro!
Months ago when the euro specs came out, and I realized the power figures, and weight, I was very dissapointed.
I agree, with all the hype the bike generated, and fuelled by Kawi, I thought it should THOROUGHLY STOMP any and everything out there, including piped busa's and the like.
everyone started throwing shit at me........
So i just kept shut.
Thats why i wrote this..
quote:
Well, I did think the #'s are little low, and i expected that, cause nobody was displaying it.
To all who attempted to denounce my requests.
KEEP SHOVING YOUR HEADS IN ........
  
My thanks to Brock, for having some balls and posting this.........................
Cause nobody else would / did.
Honesty.... its underrated these days.
Well I've waited this long, and the reviews keep getting better.
I'll work with what I can get, when somthin faster arrives I'll mod it somemore.
in 3-5 years, or when a big advancement arrives I buy it!
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posted April 08, 2006 01:00 PM
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LOL
I feel your pain bro!
Months ago when the euro specs came out, and I realized the power figures, and weight, I was very dissapointed.
I agree, with all the hype the bike generated, and fuelled by Kawi, I thought it should THOROUGHLY STOMP any and everything out there, including piped busa's and the like.
everyone started throwing shit at me........
So i just kept shut.
Thats why i wrote this..
quote:
Well, I did think the #'s are little low, and i expected that, cause nobody was displaying it.
To all who attempted to denounce my requests.
KEEP SHOVING YOUR HEADS IN ........
My thanks to Brock, for having some balls and posting this.........................
Cause nobody else would / did.
Honesty.... its underrated these days.
Well I've waited this long, and the reviews keep getting better.
I'll work with what I can get, when somthin faster arrives I'll mod it somemore.
in 3-5 years, or when a big advancement arrives I buy it!
would you like some cheese with your whine sir.....
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posted April 08, 2006 03:28 PM
Edited By: dubious on 8 Apr 2006 23:46
whatever
... famous1" dick!
got anything positive to contribute?
where was your zx14 dyno sheet?
Any way it'll be worth the wait, and same goes for Brocks pipe and immaculate fuel mapping!
 
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posted April 09, 2006 08:42 AM
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Because the numbers at 4K down ( on the big bikes) are below the stock curve by a lot... Acropovic states that on all of their charts and info...6K down on the small motors...you can see a big dropoff on the curve dipping below stock...personally, I want more TQ and HP at bottom....I could care less about top end numbers as I don't hit the strip and only ride track and street.
Exactly my opinion, too!
I hope the "only" 150 hp GTR-1400 has even better low-end troque than 14/Busa
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posted April 11, 2006 05:37 AM
Guys,
When (IF?!) my personal ZX-14 shows up....I will post every single Dynojet RUN FILE to be viewed by all. This way, there will be NO WAY for us to alter or edit the numbers.
You can download the runviewer software from www.powercommander.com, view our HP and Torque in STD and/or SAE scale...check air fuel, read the notes ANYTHING you want to do...just like you were standing in my dyno room playing on our computer!
We specialize in making the fastest bikes FASTER, not one single component ever makes the real difference....it is ALWAYS a combination of components or configurations working together. We tell our customers exactly what to do and how to do it.....they are VERY happy afterwards.
We will perform the exact same R&D procedure on the ZX-14 that we do for the other machines.
Our championship page shows a bit of what we did last year with the 2005 GSX-R1000:
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posted April 11, 2006 07:02 AM
Edited By: dubious on 11 Apr 2006 08:04
Brock Davidson
Stand up, and UP FRONT guy!
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posted April 11, 2006 07:32 AM
Edited By: zerMATT on 11 Apr 2006 08:34
Brock - I don't know jack about tweaking the performance of sportbikes, but it's obvious from your statements and accomplishments that you do. I appreciate the fact that you are taking the time to post information for those of us who are chomping at the bit for our new ZX-14's, you're the first guy who has access to a bike and real performance numbers who has openly shared that information with us.
There, I said it! Brock is THE MAN, and I hope he hangs around here feeding our quest for knowledge and power forever. Thanks Brock, you've won my business. I may not be your first '14 customer, but trust me that when I feel the need for more power, you'll be the first person I call.
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posted April 11, 2006 07:35 AM
Here's part of the problem. People get used to seeing the absolutely best pull with the most advantageous correction factor (or none of it was done in January during a high-pressure weather day). Or, if they were using oxygenated fuel. I'll give you an example. My best ever pull on my 12R was with a DA of 35' with U4 at 177 uncorrected. The "normal" SAE pump gas pulls are closer to 160. Which is right? Both!, depending on what your're comparing!
It drives me absolutely nuts when horsepower numbers are posted without which correction factor is used. STD is 4% higher than SAE. Most people won't post SAE because the numbers are "low".
Thanks Brock for telling it like it is!
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posted April 11, 2006 07:40 AM
Yes Brock...thanks for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with all of us here at Bikeland! You will be my 1st choice for upgrades to my rides.
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supra5677
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posted April 11, 2006 08:43 AM
i believe sae reads 4.4% lower than std.. so 165sae horsepower is about 172 std..
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