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posted April 06, 2006 01:35 PM
 Edited By: dubious on 6 Apr 2006 14:45
ZX14 Dyno is here. Thanks Brock!
Support Brock...
What an upfront standup guy
Brock has won my $$$$$
Don't settle for the first pipe, buy the best!
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posted April 06, 2006 02:01 PM
Hmmm.................
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posted April 06, 2006 02:21 PM
If that's a 14 dyno, it is depressing.
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posted April 06, 2006 02:31 PM
Edited By: dubious on 6 Apr 2006 15:43
I don't think the stock one is too bad.
The brocks/hindle is pretty good up top, holds peak over 175 HP for 2500RPM, and midrange torque is still good.
Put it this way, the bike will be better for launching, and the added bulge will make a subtantial difference compared to anything else out there.
Re gear that sucka from 17/41 to 16/43 and you have increased the torque advantage by another 12 %.
That will suprise anyone who pulls up beside you!
And.... still deliver 186 mph at redline!
zx12r for comparison:
busa :
05 GSXR1000 on MR9 so subtract about 8%:
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posted April 06, 2006 02:57 PM
Doesn't look good depression is sitting in
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posted April 06, 2006 04:36 PM
No power commander, just the pipe on pump gas, 181hp/108 ft tq, that's not depressing, it's simply awesome!!!!!!
That thing is going to be an easy 195+hp/113+ft tq at the rear after tuning.
Way to go Brock!
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posted April 06, 2006 04:48 PM
I hope so.. Really Really do
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posted April 06, 2006 04:50 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 7 Apr 2006 03:11
Looks weak to me. These bike are going to need a workover to get some power out of them. Much like the 12r.
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posted April 06, 2006 05:08 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the 12R & Busa charts are after tuning so the zx14 has to make a lot more power after tuning.
Muzzy's tech department told me they are getting a 8% increase in power on the 12 & 14 with their pipe and no tuning (they wouldn't give numbers, just %), that being said if you take the stock 162hp of the 12R and add 8% for a pipe only ,you only get 174.9hp, after tuning it's 182 to 189hp depending on the pipe choice from the chart so the 181hp of the 14 without tuning is a lot better than everyone thinking and don't forget the torque, man!!
I think Brock is going to open a lot of eyes and drop a lot of Busa's jaws when he's done.
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posted April 06, 2006 05:09 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 7 Apr 2006 03:08
I see.... 164 stock? not too impressive.
The 189 is what i would expect with a pipe and 178 bone stock.
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posted April 06, 2006 05:10 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 6 Apr 2006 18:11
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posted April 06, 2006 05:15 PM
Edited By: swiftkart on 6 Apr 2006 18:20
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147 hp? You gotta be kidding me. OMG
The 189 is what i would expect with a pipe and 178 bone stock.
It looks like some of these 14rs are turds stock. Just like the 12r's, some were 154 hp turds. Most likely from bad cam timing.
Where are you coming up with 147hp?
Brock's chart shows 162hp for a stock 12.
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posted April 06, 2006 05:51 PM
He needs glasses...the 147 was a Busa -- and a dud at that...
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posted April 06, 2006 06:02 PM
Hey Jim I asked brock about that 189 horsepower run. He said is was with MR9 race gas which is worth 5 horsepower.. Bottom line with a pipe the zx14 will make mabe 5-6 more ponies. change the 12r's cam timing and your even...
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posted April 06, 2006 06:06 PM
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He needs glasses...the 147 was a Busa -- and a dud at that...
My post was comparing the 12's hp and the 14's, I can see fine, you need to learn how to read.
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posted April 06, 2006 06:55 PM
Edited By: dubious on 7 Apr 2006 02:04
POTENTIAL.
IT HAS MORE !
I would guess some proper cam timing, thinner head gasket, pipe, and a good map should reel in around 190- 195 HP on pump fuel, and still maintain its good midrange torque!
What ever is lost on bottom from tuning for top end , could likely be regained with a bump in compression.
My experience has been that 1-2 points of compression increase creates a very very noticable increase in bottom to mid torque, and usually the cheapest gains at that!
Most engines that have a suitable cooling system, and combustion chamber design, to keep the extra heat and detonation at bay , with proper ignition timing and fuel curves will generate close 10% more power per 1 point increase in compression!
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posted April 07, 2006 02:15 AM
My fault, I couldnt read the fine print, I was on my laptop. i see theres busas and 12s in the mix here.
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posted April 07, 2006 06:08 AM
STOCK-ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FOUR HORSEPOWER-STOCK
No doubt, Las Vegas was ringers just like the first group of ZX10s were tested by the media and then the real ZX10s arrive for the customers and bingo, it's minus 15 HP. 
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posted April 07, 2006 06:34 AM
How about this....
14 is making at least ten more H.P. than the others (mod or not) at 8000 rpm!
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posted April 07, 2006 06:34 AM
I don't think that's entirely correct -- depends on the Dyno and conditions...187 HP at the crank would be about 165-170...you have a 10% or so loss...and the rest could be dyno conditions...
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posted April 07, 2006 06:44 AM
Some of you people are so damn quick in jumping the gun on the numbers...geez...just remember that no 2 bikes will test the same...I had 2 Busa's and they were not the same...differences were about 5HP most of the time when dyno'ed...,but from what I see here, this bike is a very strong machine, certainly stronger than the Busa in stock trim and no doubt will pull harder all the way up from zero. The limitation may only be what else can be done to get more out of the stock motor by modding as opposed to the Busa, which had a lot of headroom and lent itself to huge power gains...time wil tell....but I bet that no one will be dissapointed with the power and handling of the ZX...just look at the power gains at redline with the Brock setup...they're huge...better than anyone could have imagined they would be, just be changing exhaust...25RWHP not enough? Busa's don't do that -- not even close...chill guys...chill.
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posted April 07, 2006 07:15 AM
Numbers do tell a lot
When dyno charts say you have a smooth curve - you have a smooth curve
When there is a lot of low-end torque then....
Heyyyy!
Why aren't the Dyno's from 1500 up?
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posted April 07, 2006 07:38 AM
Because the numbers at 4K down ( on the big bikes) are below the stock curve by a lot... Acropovic states that on all of their charts and info...6K down on the small motors...you can see a big dropoff on the curve dipping below stock...personally, I want more TQ and HP at bottom....I could care less about top end numbers as I don't hit the strip and only ride track and street.
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posted April 07, 2006 07:57 AM
I'm w/you in spirit. Realistic street riding is what I'm after. I MAY give up some below 4K, but certainly not below 6K. Top- is good, but gotta' have the low- and mid-. Then, again, I see a slip-on for me.
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posted April 07, 2006 08:49 AM
This is depressing. The stock zx14 and hayabusa both peak out at 9500 rpm in stock trim. The 12r with a pipe is making peak power at the limiter 11,625 with more in it. Instead of a bike to blow the 12 out of the water kawasaki makes a duplicate of the hayabusa. Time to go in my garage and wipe on my 02 12r.. I wanted 182hp std at the back wheel stock. Instead we get this 169-170 hp bull sh**. The liter bikes still get all the goodies as far as cam profiles, compression, and rpm capability....
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